>> Have you ever even talked to Allwinner? Did you work toward getting the
>> code released at all? No. You didn't. We did.
>
>So far, we've lacked the resources, not the intention. This is a legitimate
concern, but what you're doing here is trying to >make it look like we lack
the intent.
Your putting words into my mouth. I've said you don't have the ability or
resources. It's not a matter of intent.
> Did you release something tangible that people can actually use? No, you
didn't.
> We did, and we're about to do it a whole lot more. Just you watch.
First off we have release *lots* of products people can actually use. Your
laptop isn't 100% free either. It's just mostly free. You were shipping
non-free winmodems and hard disks with proprietary bits as well. Our hardware
isn't perfect, but it's still going in the right direction.
Your taking short cuts and getting *nowhere* in the scheme of things. We're
working on harder problems to solve and its going to take more time and money
to solve those problems. In the mean time we've worked on lots of smaller
projects and its the *same* thing I suggested you do. One of my primary
objectives has been to develop the revenue sources to actually work on a 100%
free laptop. But not one that was a hack or based on other companies products
that I'd consider to be actively working against the free software community.
I want a design that can actually be reliably manufactured in successive
revisions over the long haul. Relying Lenovo or Google to come out with
products that we can free is a dead end. Intel's added digital restrictions
and Google's not exactly producing (or the companies building off Google's
stuff, ie chromebooks) systems that are easily free'd (in there entirety).
> Illicit? I'm pretty sure RE is legal in Europe, but whatever.
Reverse engineering is not illegal if its done right. You didn't do it right
and admitted it privately. You took leaked confidential Intel documents and
used that to get coreboot working on newer Lenovo laptops. That is
*extremely* stupid and you compromise the entire project and any other free
software project that incorporates your improvements.
This was another reason to *not* ship these Lenovo laptops based off your
efforts. It was a liability nightmare. It doesn't matter if you did it in the
United States or the United Kingdom/Europe.
> failed to do
We didn't fail to do it because we were already working on it. It's just a
more difficult task when your doing it legally, properly, and actually have
plans to manufacture the laptops long term.
We chose *not* to work on dead-end projects. As I said I considered doing
this back in 2009 and concluded it wasn't worth the effort. I still think
it's wasted resources when we can do it right and produce a more cost
effective solution that will continue to work down the road. Short term
thinking leads to dead ends which you've already stated is what happened. You
said yourself that X86 is a dead end on these very forums!
> Yep. That much is certain to me. Another reason why I don't take you
seriously at all.
Just because I don't care about it what-so-ever doesn't mean I wasn't willing
to fund it. It wasn't me you should have taken seriously anyway. Bob was more
than cooperative and interested in taking this on. He ultimately let it go
when you weren't cooperating. Personally I think his current attitude is a
little hypocritical, but alas, his intent is good and doesn't get quite as
upset over minor criticisms.
> Tell that to the FSF. And I dare you to say that to the coreboot
developers. They'll shoot you down,
> for being the ignorant, misinformed twit that you are.
Interesting. Considering we have had multiple devices up and running without
coreboot or libreboot that were completely free AND RYF certified.
> There are also many others, none of which you are involved with.
Yea- I don't agree. Considering the most promising project as far as a 100%
free ARM laptop is concerned is *sponsored* by us and there aren't any other
major sponsors... yea.. OK. Again. Your not going to convince me of this.
There are other projects- but they don't have the ability to pull it off. One
wasted a year trying to communicate with I forget who only to utterly fail.
Mean while we're practically done. Prototypes and all.
