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HI Leo Dennis Stephens fails to mention that Axiom 31 is dependent on the point of view of the being taking the action. From the point of view of a human at the emotional and physical level of the expanded tone scale actions can be judged as having good or bad results. This is the condition that exists from tone 22 Games on down on the tone scale. Above the level of the tone scale called Games we recognize that we are each different viewpoints of the same being and the things we do to each other are by mutual agreement and done to explore the effects the action will cause. As such there is no good or bad.
Above level 22 Games is like an old man playing chess with himself. There is no winner and no loser. Therefore above the level of 22 games on the extended tone scale Axiom 31 is correct as written and below level 22 Games Dennis is correct. Keep on TROMing pete -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of Leo Faulhaber Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 2010/1/2 < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Send Trom mailing list submissions to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Trom and Axiom 31 (Mickel) 2. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Pete McLaughlin) 3. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Mickel) 4. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Leo) Hi to everyone It's the first time that I am posting here so I am not sure if I do it right. I listened several times to the tape "The Philosophy of TROM" and I think that I understood it quite well although it's quite hard to confront. Now here's my conclusions: Good or bad is an opinion if it has to do with morals. Morals regulate games, it is the rules how to play a specific game. Good or bad is not an opinion if it has to do with ethics. Ethics stands above games and regulates whether or not or how tough one should play games or a specific game. Leo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:45:47 -0000 From: "Mickel" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 To: "The Resolution of Mind list" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Message-ID: <113913531b1f413da579dc9e14552...@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, and it's been hard work I can tell you. I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first read it many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for myself. By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am gradually getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still far from level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. Best Mike ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:19:28 -0800 From: "Pete McLaughlin" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 To: "The Resolution of Mind list" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Message-ID: <a09ed57097c549eb9c931541af15b...@toughboo05d7e2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original HI Mickel Axiom 31. Goodness and badness, beautifulness and ugliness are alike considerations and have no other basis than opinion. Reducing axiom 31 to minimum it is "considerations are cosniderations." What part of the Philosophy of Trom leclture did you feel connected with this axiom? Sincerely Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mickel" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > ************ > Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. > > I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, and it's > been hard work I can tell you. > > I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first read it > many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for myself. > > By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am > gradually > getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. > > Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still far from > level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. > > Best > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:13:17 -0000 From: "Mickel" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 To: "Pete McLaughlin" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >, "The Resolution of Mind list" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Message-ID: <101ed55adcc64b29aee91f6880c97...@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Pete There is something not right here in what Dennis is saying, either I have a huge MU here or He is not explaining what he means correctly. He seems to leave out our cultural agreements in his explanation, I can see what Dennis means from one angle but looking into my mind I can see that Goodness and Badness are considerations, I have particular opinions on what is good or bad which differ from other peoples considerations or opinions. It is true that if you tried to run a society in an Hedonistic way it would eventually collapse but our societies have rules and regulations on which the majority Agree. There are endless examples I can think up in which certain actions, beliefs and so on are right or Good in one country or amongst certain people that are totally wrong from another group of people viewpoints. Also, I look at it this way, within the mind we have words, symbols, points of agreement and so on, step outside the mind and Life IS! just as it is, a Being has now moved beyond cause and effect, beyond any questions or needing any answers, the polarities have merged. Best Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete McLaughlin" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > ************ > HI Mickel > > Axiom 31. Goodness and badness, beautifulness and ugliness are alike > considerations and have no other basis than opinion. > > > > Reducing axiom 31 to minimum it is "considerations are cosniderations." > What part of the Philosophy of Trom leclture did you feel connected with > this axiom? > > > > Sincerely > > > > Pete > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mickel" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:45 PM > Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> ************ >> Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. >> >> I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, and >> it's >> been hard work I can tell you. >> >> I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first read it >> many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for myself. >> >> By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am >> gradually >> getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. >> >> Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still far from >> level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. >> >> Best >> Mike >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. 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