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HI Leo
Dennis Stephens fails to mention that Axiom 31 is dependent on the
point of view of the being taking the action. From the point of view
of a human at the emotional and physical level of the expanded tone
scale actions can be judged as having good or bad results. This is
the condition that exists from tone 22 Games on down on the tone
scale.
Above the level of the tone scale called Games we recognize that we
are each different viewpoints of the same being and the things we do
to each other are by mutual agreement and done to explore the effects
the action will cause. As such there is no good or bad.
Above level 22 Games is like an old man playing chess with himself.
There is no winner and no loser.
Therefore above the level of 22 games on the extended tone scale
Axiom 31 is correct as written and below level 22 Games Dennis is
correct.
Keep on TROMing
pete
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Today's Topics:
1. Trom and Axiom 31 (Mickel)
2. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Pete McLaughlin)
3. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Mickel)
4. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Leo)
Hi to everyone
It's the first time that I am posting here so I am not sure if I do
it right.
I listened several times to the tape "The Philosophy of TROM" and I
think that I understood it quite well although it's quite hard to
confront.
Now here's my conclusions:
Good or bad is an opinion if it has to do with morals. Morals
regulate games, it is the rules how to play a specific game.
Good or bad is not an opinion if it has to do with ethics. Ethics
stands above games and regulates whether or not or how tough one
should play games or a specific game.
Leo
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:45:47 -0000
From: "Mickel" <[email protected]>
Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31
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Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010.
I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, and
it's
been hard work I can tell you.
I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first read
it
many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for myself.
By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am
gradually
getting it so my persistence is worthwhile.
Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still far
from
level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages.
Best
Mike
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:19:28 -0800
From: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31
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HI Mickel
Axiom 31. Goodness and badness, beautifulness and ugliness are alike
considerations and have no other basis than opinion.
Reducing axiom 31 to minimum it is "considerations are
cosniderations."
What part of the Philosophy of Trom leclture did you feel connected
with
this axiom?
Sincerely
Pete
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From: "Mickel" <[email protected]>
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Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31
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> Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010.
>
> I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today,
and it's
> been hard work I can tell you.
>
> I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first
read it
> many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for
myself.
>
> By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am
> gradually
> getting it so my persistence is worthwhile.
>
> Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still far
from
> level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages.
>
> Best
> Mike
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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:13:17 -0000
From: "Mickel" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31
To: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]>, "The Resolution of
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Hi Pete
There is something not right here in what Dennis is saying, either I
have a
huge MU here or He is not explaining what he means correctly.
He seems to leave out our cultural agreements in his explanation, I
can see
what Dennis means from one angle but looking into my mind I can see
that
Goodness and Badness are considerations, I have particular opinions
on what
is good or bad which differ from other peoples considerations or
opinions.
It is true that if you tried to run a society in an Hedonistic way it
would
eventually collapse but our societies have rules and regulations on
which
the majority Agree.
There are endless examples I can think up in which certain actions,
beliefs
and so on are right or Good in one country or amongst certain people
that
are totally wrong from another group of people viewpoints.
Also, I look at it this way, within the mind we have words, symbols,
points
of agreement and so on, step outside the mind and Life IS! just as it
is, a
Being has now moved beyond cause and effect, beyond any questions or
needing
any answers, the polarities have merged.
Best
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]>
To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31
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> HI Mickel
>
> Axiom 31. Goodness and badness, beautifulness and ugliness are alike
> considerations and have no other basis than opinion.
>
>
>
> Reducing axiom 31 to minimum it is "considerations are
cosniderations."
> What part of the Philosophy of Trom leclture did you feel connected
with
> this axiom?
>
>
>
> Sincerely
>
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mickel" <[email protected]>
> To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:45 PM
> Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31
>
>
>> *************
>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected]
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>> Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010.
>>
>> I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today,
and
>> it's
>> been hard work I can tell you.
>>
>> I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first
read it
>> many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for
myself.
>>
>> By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am
>> gradually
>> getting it so my persistence is worthwhile.
>>
>> Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still
far from
>> level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages.
>>
>> Best
>> Mike
>>
>>
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