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Hello Pete and fellow Trommers,
This is my two cents worth:
MIke has a very valid point and request. TROM does indeed need a
simplification. Like he says, a TROM for dummies.
It is time to call a spade a spade. It is time to as- is TROM. It
is time to get honest. For only being honest , seeing honestly,
speaking honestly will set people free.
In fact this is one of the keys to staying clear and stable. The
trouble is that most people do not know what the word honest means,
actually I will expand that to read "full spectrum" honesty.
Total integrity, total honesty. No denial or avoidance or
dramatizing Dennis or, what ever.
From what I gather, I am realizing more and more in a way that I
have never understood before that true total honesty, honest
thinking, honest perception, no mind games, no nonsense thinking or
talk, no junk thinking, no junk talk, no stupid thinking, no
stupid talk, total as -ising , with a proper lifestyle, free of
vices, free of escapism activities, proper diet, may take a person to
clear ( nirvana ) ( God mind ) over time.
It is likely at least what is required to stay in that state. It
would take more than a page to explain what it all means. Much of
it is described in the book of Deuteronomy.
Emphasis ch 27 - 28.
I see that that much desired ideal state of mind can actually be
placed on a scale much like the emotional tone scale. I just went and
looked at the scn chart of human evaluation to see if was there.
Honesty is not specifically listed, but can be deduced from the data
listed to some degree. Although it could be discussed some where else
in specific detail. On the other hand Hubbard was not really
qualified to comment on it either, because he had a lot to learn about
what it really meant also. But I do give Hubbard credit for going as
afar as he did.
The story of TROM is much like the story of "The Emperor has no
clothes.".
What is the story of the Emperor has no clothes? : I got this from
the net.
The story of a king, so into himself, he could not see his own
failings and his people, so eager to please him, refused to see those
failings.
One day the King goes to the tailor to get new clothes and the tailor,
who is not a fan of the King, convinces the king that he made him a
wonderful "invisible" suit of clothing and that he looks wonderful in
it. Townspeople, in their own blindness to truth, agree that the king
looks like he just stepped out of GQ. But a little boy is the one who
bursts the bubble by seeing the king on in skivvies and lets everyone
know and the people come to their senses.
http://hca.gilead.org.il/emperor.html
Dennis is far from what he wants people to think he is. Dennis is
far from what some people claim he is. He is extremely arrogant and
sarcastic.
Dennis speaks in a language of mind games, riddles, clues,
abbreviations, short hand like speech, bullshit, brain f***ings,
false data, traps, trap locks , and possibly other stuff.
In other words he speaks in a way that he does not want the reader to
know or understand and plays games with the readers mind while doing so.
A game of "must know" and "must not know" at the same time, with
emphasis on "must not know" .
This is contrary to reason for or behind the whole process. The
elimination of games.
As far as I can tell, the TROM book may well contain the best
solo process laced in amongst the bull shit stuff described above.
( Based on the fact that I had some success with it although after
much agony in deciphering and effort. ) ( I have bogged down on L3. )
But I can't say for certain because I have not been able to complete
it. I can honestly only speak on personal experience, I cannot
entirely go on testimonials or anecdotal evidence . Although such
are encouraging and more should be encouraged. Not like like the
trap that Dennis cleverly inserts that success stories are not
necessary. Success stories when honestly written can serve other
purposes than selling new comers.
Dennis plays a very cunning, clever and complex game. Any
perceptually honest person can see this.
I hear him saying and laughing to himself in the background: here is
the best solo technique you will likely find anywhere, but it may
take you years to figure it out if you ever do.
And like Judith said, it is best done by some one who completed the
scientology bridge.
Some one who has at least first gone clear in scientology, which
gives a person much more solo processing horsepower.
In fact I understand there are some people ( many years back ) who
had a lot of experience in scientology who tried to do it and could
not do it and asked Dennis to simplify it and he held to his game and
refused to do it so they dropped it.
I give credit where credit is due. I have to call a spade a spade.
I give credit that the TROM book may well CONTAIN the best solo
technique. I give credit to Dennis for the part of his book that
may contain the best solo process to date. And not for the stuff that
is not helpful.
But TROM is not a useable or practical technique the way it exists,
for most. There is no good reason to have a process so difficult.
The truth flows towards simplicity, not complexity and confusion.
People who speak or write in complex language either do not
understand it or have something to hide.
I want to make the best of TROM and want to see it made what it
should be; gleaned and rewritten in clear language on a proper
gradient.
Pete, it is not a good idea to send some one to the archives to
look for explanations. That is similar to a wild bird chase.
Few people have that much time to do so, even if there was much useful
information there.
And the same goes for listening to all the so called "help data" ,
tapes and transcripts.
Dennis is a very clever mind game player and manipulator. He is
able to make things look helpful while not being so.
Dennis' words that no one should change what he wrote, that he is
not enamored with his writing style, and that any one can do it, are
all traps and lies.
There are many more.
The best thing that can happen to TROM is that all those who have
completed TROM should glean ( separate the useful data (tech)
from the crap ) and rewrite it in clear language on a suitable
gradient. In professional style. For only then will TROM achieve
it's goal.
There should be several rewrites by several people, similar to what
is being done and has been done in scientology. Building better
bridges. That way students can have several different perspectives
to see and understand TROM.
That does not mean that Dennis' original version has to be gotten
rid of, certainly not. It can and should remain as is . The
student can always have the original for reference. And they should
be encouraged to read the original as well as the rewrites and see the
big picture.
Not to go beyond boundaries , grow and improve, means to wither and
die. The evolution of knowledge on this plane does not work that way
( is not static ) . If that was the case we would still be living in
caves.
A person who writes a great piece of work like scn or TROM
operating on total integrity and honesty will say, here this is
what I have done for you.
He speaks in clear language. He speaks in a way that helps the
student to understand. He wants the student to understand. Then
says; now you can take it and improve upon it.
He does not lace it with traps, false data and put a lock on it.
That is the way I see it.
On the other hand I could be all wrong.
It could be that everyone "gets" TROM and has no real problems with
it, only me. But I doubt it. I just don't get that feeling.
There are a number of people who have came to this group and left
because they could not get any practical help or support.
I personally sent a friend to this group and he did not have a good
experience here. And he is of well above average intelligence and
ability.
I would like an honest show of posts from all those that think that
TROM is written in clear language and has no problems with TROM, and
all those who are having difficulty with TROM.
I would like to see an honest show of posts from those who think that
TROM should not be rewritten ( simplified ) in clear language, and
from those who think it should be rewritten in clear language and on
a suitable gradient. .
It won't hurt to " as - is" this situation. It will do a lot of
good to be honest.
By being truly and completely honest a lot of people could be helped.
Yours truly,
David Pelly
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