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>> Cchs are pretty cool to run solo as is op pro by dup. Its not as easy as 
>> having an auditor help you along.
>> 
>> I'll take two trees that are next to each other and find differences and 
>> similarities between them and experience benefits. Then run some RI and then 
>> move along right into a level five drill. 
>> 
>> Comparing two present time objects is much like comparing a past scene to 
>> the present but both are in the present.
>> 
>> It goes flat like all cchs and op pro by dup process' do each session. Then 
>> you run RI and your timebreaking drills on levels 2 through 5
>> 
>> There is a benifit from just contacting a past scene or so called incident 
>> just by viewing the incident . But the real heart of the matter , the mass , 
>> is behind the effect in the goal, intension, purpose of the incident. Thats 
>> the purpose for time breaking the goals and not just the the effects of the 
>> goal. You time break effects on levels two three and four and not without 
>> great benefit , but the goals behind the effects you TB  on level five are 
>> still left are need to be time-broken . There's nothing else there to 
>> timebreak after level four. Once you begin to time break goals, you'll truly 
>> see the benefit as it compares to just time breaking the effects in 
>> incidents.  The release of charge from time breaking a goals package is 
>> incredible and powerful.  Timebreaking  effects on levels four and below has 
>> gone flat for me. I rarely if ever even see the effects of the goals i time 
>> break  now . I only see the goals and the mass. I put the postulates up on 
>> level five and the 
 mass presents itself for time breaking,  and well.......... DAM, Is it a 
welcome site to see . The bigger and more difficult it is to time break the 
better the benefit and release .   
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>> Yes it is dangerous to run briefing course style drills or any jr goals 
>> stuff . It's always best to stay with basic goals packages of " to know " . 
>> Not always the easiest but always the best.      
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>> 
>> On Nov 9, 2010, at 1:58 AM, Jon Murray <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> Isn't it dangerous to run goals briefing course style?
>>> 
>>> According to Stephens, the opposers will always be wrong as they aren't
>>> in the bank and have to be constructed into packages by the analytical
>>> mind (hence the goals packages of TROM).
>>> 
>>> According to TROM you should never ask what opposes a goal or run any
>>> non life goals packages.
>>> 
>>> Could the their auditing gains have come from running incidents rather
>>> than objectives?
>>> 
>>> Apologies if I have misunderstood the post.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>>> On 09/11/2010 06:24, Ant Phillips wrote:
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>>>> Dear TROMmers,
>>>> 
>>>> Yes there is a whole Scientology world outside of TROM. What
>>>> "orthodox" TROMmers might call the "alternative" world.
>>>> I knew a married couple who co-audited Scientology objectives on each
>>>> other yearly, with good results.  (They were both Briefing Course
>>>> graduates, and "knew their onions")
>>>> 
>>>> In the Scientology world, I was "forced" to take a "Dug Rundown" at
>>>> one point before they would allow me to go further. The only part of
>>>> it which gave me nice results was the objectives! I have also got
>>>> good results recently running incidents, Scientology style (parts of
>>>> R3X) on a friend recently - amazing results.
>>>> 
>>>> There is a world outside of TROM. (valuable to those who have
>>>> overcome their ARC breaks with Scn and their false data on Scn)
>>>> 
>>>> All best wishes,
>>>> 
>>>> Ant
>>>> 
>>>> PS  R.C. means Roman Catholic to me.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> At 01:06 09-11-2010, Colleen Peltomaa wrote:
>>>>> I have had 3 years now of engram running using r3x, and I priorly
>>>>> received some CCHs in the Atlanta Church Org, to an EP, and I felt
>>>>> much more in present time as a result.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It would never have occurred to me that I would need to re-do the
>>>>> CCH's.  However, upon R.C.'s insistence, he began delivering them to
>>>>> me anew.  Lo and behold they "bit" like they did not the first time
>>>>> years ago.  I would not have discovered for myself my need for them
>>>>> and might have a reason for why I am not feeling very successful
>>>>> running TROM consistently.
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