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Hi David, the four books can all be read in isolation. However, the 4th book is a distillation and revision of the material from the 1st 3 and has routines on auditing BT's solo. Regards, Jon On 26 December 2010 18:24, David M. Pelly wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > Thanks Jon, > > Yes, I was looking at the pdf of book 4. ( I did not have time to do any > reading at the time, but I was planning to. ) > > I wasn't sure if it would contain the data I was looking for. > > So I also thought it would be best to get the first one. > > But they do indeed look like good reading material. > > > David > > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:04:47 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Possession (LINKS TO TAPE & TRANSCRIPT)/Reply to Harry > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > > Hi David, the 4th LKin volume is free, and is downloadable in pdf format > from the link I posted :) Regards, Jon On 25 December 2010 22:48, David M. > Pelly wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by > [email protected] > ************ > > > Thanks Harry, for your reply to > my post on possession. > > I am of a similar spirit to you, that is putting > my paws where they are > not supposed to be, and even more of a rebel type > free spirit and one who > gathers data and then thinks for myself. > > I > don't believe anything, as believing something does not make it true, so > > why would I want to believe something that is not true or may not be true. > > > I only want to know. > > I have posted similar in the past on this list > and others and I just > realized that it is almost in the same class as > Dennis'; a beings main or > only purpose is "to know and be known". > > I > first heard the concept of intellectual function as I stated ( to know > > )back in 89 at a little lecture a lady was holding in her basement near > > Toronto. > > I just made this connection, after struggling with TROM for > three years. > > But her datum was that a person should categorize data into > three groups" > > 1. know > > 2. don't know > > 3. not sure. > > And not > believe, as believing would actually fall under either 2 or 3 . > Opinions > are of the same order. > > > > I got off on a tangent there but back to the > possession problem, I thank > you for your viewpoint. > > I will listen to > the tapes. > > I searched L. Kins books as Jon posted, but it looks like I > will have to > order the books. > > I talked to him on the phone a few times > when he was leaving Las Vegas in > about 03 or 04 and moving to the east > coast and I bought his cd. I recall > getting nothing really useful from it, > at least not that i was able to > gather at that time. I thought I still had > it, but it looks like I threw it > out, because it is not in my cd pile. > > > I am still open to other viewpoints and especially experiences from others > > on entities and possession. > > I have heard a fair number of stories on > possession and a friend told me of > some real poltergeist activities he > personally experienced. > > And Jesus talks about excorsizing in the bible > and telling Satan to get > behind him. > > I just remembered that back in > the 80s and especially in 89 I was driving > truck and I felt these > invisible things hitting me in my face and all over > my head, like > invisible birds diving and flying into me. > > They were so bad that I could > hardly do my work and they were driving me > mad. I found my self screaming > at them and shooing them away like flies, > but they would disappear for a > minute or so and return. There were lots of > them. > > So I recalled > reading in the bible about how Jesus commanded Satan to get > behind him. > > > I thought about that and figured if Jesus could do it, so could I, as > > these things must obey us. > > So I did, but I did not want them behind me > or near me, so I told them to > eff off and get out of my universe. > > It > took a while, I do not remember how long, but they eventually > disappeared. > > > I recall more now and I recall that I used that process for many yrs. I > > think it was even for a few yrs after I got into scientology in 97. I > > haven't had that problem since. > > > So I think there is something to it. > > > I was quite certain that I was freed of all such entities. But maybe I am > > not. > > I also just remember that there is a lot of information on such > stuff in > Oahspe. They are called "grafters" in Oahspe. > > Meaning spirits > who graft on to people. > > They are of people who died and do not know what > to do when they get to > that dimension, because they did not do their > spiritual homework while in > the body. > > But I would like to know > everything possible about this subject from people > who are experienced and > knowledgeable with scientology. > > > David > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > Hi David, the 4th LKin volume is free, and is downloadable in pdf format > from the link I posted :)� > > Regards, > > Jon > > On 25 December 2010 22:48, David M. Pelly wrote: > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by �[email protected] > ************ > > > �Thanks Harry, for your reply to my post on possession. > � > I am of a similar spirit to you, that is putting� my paws where they are > not supposed to be, �and even more of a rebel type free spirit and one who > gathers data and then thinks for myself. > � > I don't believe anything, as� believing something does not make it true, so > why would I want to believe something that is not true or may not be true. > � > I only� want to know. > � > I have posted similar in the past on this list and others and I just > realized that it is almost in the same class as Dennis'; �a beings main or > only purpose is "to know and be known". > � > I first heard the concept of intellectual function as I stated ( to know > )back in 89 at a little lecture a lady� was holding in her basement near > Toronto.� > � > I just made this connection, after struggling with TROM for three years. > � > But her datum was that a person should categorize data into three groups" > � > 1. know > � > 2. don't know > � > 3. not sure. > � > And not believe, as believing would actually fall under either 2 or 3 .� > Opinions are of the same order. > � > � > � > I got off on a tangent there but back to� the possession problem, I thank > you for your viewpoint. > � > I will listen to the tapes. > � > I searched L. Kins books as Jon posted, but it looks like I will have to > order the books. > � > I talked to him on the phone a few times when he was leaving Las Vegas in > about 03 or 04 and moving to the east coast and I bought his cd.��� I recall > getting nothing really useful from it, at least not that i was able to > gather at that time.� I thought I still had it, but it looks like I threw it > out, because it is not in my cd pile. > � > I am still open to other viewpoints and especially experiences� from others > on entities and possession. > � > I have heard a fair number of stories on possession and a friend told me of > some real poltergeist activities he personally experienced. > � > And Jesus talks about excorsizing in the bible and telling Satan to get > behind him. > � > I just remembered� that back in the 80s and especially in 89� I was driving > truck and I felt these invisible things hitting me in my face and all over > my head, like invisible birds� diving and flying into me. > � > They were so bad that�I �could hardly do my work and they were driving me > mad.� I found my self screaming at them and shooing them away like flies,� > but they would disappear for a� minute or so and return. There were lots of > them. > � > So I recalled reading in the bible about how Jesus commanded Satan to get > behind him. > � > I� thought about that and figured if Jesus could do it, so could I, as > these things must obey us. > � > So I did, but I did not want them behind me or near me, so I told them to > eff off and get out of my universe. > � > It took a while, I do not remember how long, but they eventually > disappeared. > � > I recall more now and I recall that I used that process� for many yrs.� I > think it was even for a few yrs� after I got into scientology in 97.� I > haven't had that problem since. > � > � > So I think there is something to it.� > � > I was quite certain that I� was freed of all such entities.� But maybe I am > not. > � > I also just remember� that there is a lot of information on such stuff in > Oahspe.� They are called "grafters" in Oahspe. > � > Meaning spirits who graft on to people.� > � > They are of people who died and do� not know what to do when they get to > that dimension, because they did not do their spiritual homework while in > the body. > � > But I would like to know everything possible about this subject from people > who are experienced and knowledgeable with scientology. > � > � > David > � > � > � > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list > [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > Hi David, the four books can all be read in isolation. However, the 4th book is a distillation and revision of the material from the 1st 3 and has routines on auditing BT's solo. Regards, Jon On 26 December 2010 18:24, David M. Pelly <[email protected]> wrote: ************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Thanks Jon, Yes, I was looking at the pdf of book 4. ( I did not have time to do any reading at the time, but I was planning to. ) I wasn't sure if it would contain the data I was looking for. So I also thought it would be best to get the first one. But they do indeed look like good reading material. David Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:04:47 +0000 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TROM1] Possession (LINKS TO TAPE & TRANSCRIPT)/Reply to Harry ************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Hi David, the 4th LKin volume is free, and is downloadable in pdf format from the link I posted :) Regards, Jon On 25 December 2010 22:48, David M. Pelly wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > > Thanks Harry, for your reply to my post on possession. > > I am of a similar spirit to you, that is putting my paws where they are > not supposed to be, and even more of a rebel type free spirit and one who > gathers data and then thinks for myself. > > I don't believe anything, as believing something does not make it true, so > why would I want to believe something that is not true or may not be true. > > I only want to know. > > I have posted similar in the past on this list and others and I just > realized that it is almost in the same class as Dennis'; a beings main or > only purpose is "to know and be known". > > I first heard the concept of intellectual function as I stated ( to know > )back in 89 at a little lecture a lady was holding in her basement near > Toronto. > > I just made this connection, after struggling with TROM for three years. > > But her datum was that a person should categorize data into three groups" > > 1. know > > 2. don't know > > 3. not sure. > > And not believe, as believing would actually fall under either 2 or 3 . > Opinions are of the same order. > > > > I got off on a tangent there but back to the possession problem, I thank > you for your viewpoint. > > I will listen to the tapes. > > I searched L. Kins books as Jon posted, but it looks like I will have to > order the books. > > I talked to him on the phone a few times when he was leaving Las Vegas in > about 03 or 04 and moving to the east coast and I bought his cd. I recall > getting nothing really useful from it, at least not that i was able to > gather at that time. I thought I still had it, but it looks like I threw it > out, because it is not in my cd pile. > > I am still open to other viewpoints and especially experiences from others > on entities and possession. > > I have heard a fair number of stories on possession and a friend told me of > some real poltergeist activities he personally experienced. > > And Jesus talks about excorsizing in the bible and telling Satan to get > behind him. > > I just remembered that back in the 80s and especially in 89 I was driving > truck and I felt these invisible things hitting me in my face and all over > my head, like invisible birds diving and flying into me. > > They were so bad that I could hardly do my work and they were driving me > mad. I found my self screaming at them and shooing them away like flies, > but they would disappear for a minute or so and return. There were lots of > them. > > So I recalled reading in the bible about how Jesus commanded Satan to get > behind him. > > I thought about that and figured if Jesus could do it, so could I, as > these things must obey us. > > So I did, but I did not want them behind me or near me, so I told them to > eff off and get out of my universe. > > It took a while, I do not remember how long, but they eventually > disappeared. > > I recall more now and I recall that I used that process for many yrs. I > think it was even for a few yrs after I got into scientology in 97. I > haven't had that problem since. > > > So I think there is something to it. > > I was quite certain that I was freed of all such entities. But maybe I am > not. > > I also just remember that there is a lot of information on such stuff in > Oahspe. They are called "grafters" in Oahspe. > > Meaning spirits who graft on to people. > > They are of people who died and do not know what to do when they get to > that dimension, because they did not do their spiritual homework while in > the body. > > But I would like to know everything possible about this subject from people > who are experienced and knowledgeable with scientology. > > > David > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > Hi David, the 4th LKin volume is free, and is downloadable in pdf format from the link I posted :)� Regards, Jon On 25 December 2010 22:48, David M. Pelly <[email protected]> wrote: ************* The following message is relayed to you by �[email protected] ************ �Thanks Harry, for your reply to my post on possession. � I am of a similar spirit to you, that is putting� my paws where they are not supposed to be, �and even more of a rebel type free spirit and one who gathers data and then thinks for myself. � I don't believe anything, as� believing something does not make it true, so why would I want to believe something that is not true or may not be true. � I only� want to know. � I have posted similar in the past on this list and others and I just realized that it is almost in the same class as Dennis'; �a beings main or only purpose is "to know and be known". � I first heard the concept of intellectual function as I stated ( to know )back in 89 at a little lecture a lady� was holding in her basement near Toronto.� � I just made this connection, after struggling with TROM for three years. � But her datum was that a person should categorize data into three groups" � 1. know � 2. don't know � 3. not sure. � And not believe, as believing would actually fall under either 2 or 3 .� Opinions are of the same order. � � � I got off on a tangent there but back to� the possession problem, I thank you for your viewpoint. � I will listen to the tapes. � I searched L. Kins books as Jon posted, but it looks like I will have to order the books. � I talked to him on the phone a few times when he was leaving Las Vegas in about 03 or 04 and moving to the east coast and I bought his cd.��� I recall getting nothing really useful from it, at least not that i was able to gather at that time.� I thought I still had it, but it looks like I threw it out, because it is not in my cd pile. � I am still open to other viewpoints and especially experiences� from others on entities and possession. � I have heard a fair number of stories on possession and a friend told me of some real poltergeist activities he personally experienced. � And Jesus talks about excorsizing in the bible and telling Satan to get behind him. � I just remembered� that back in the 80s and especially in 89� I was driving truck and I felt these invisible things hitting me in my face and all over my head, like invisible birds� diving and flying into me. � They were so bad that�I �could hardly do my work and they were driving me mad.� I found my self screaming at them and shooing them away like flies,� but they would disappear for a� minute or so and return. There were lots of them. � So I recalled reading in the bible about how Jesus commanded Satan to get behind him. � I� thought about that and figured if Jesus could do it, so could I, as these things must obey us. � So I did, but I did not want them behind me or near me, so I told them to eff off and get out of my universe. � It took a while, I do not remember how long, but they eventually disappeared. � I recall more now and I recall that I used that process� for many yrs.� I think it was even for a few yrs� after I got into scientology in 97.� I haven't had that problem since. � � So I think there is something to it.� � I was quite certain that I� was freed of all such entities.� But maybe I am not. � I also just remember� that there is a lot of information on such stuff in Oahspe.� They are called "grafters" in Oahspe. � Meaning spirits who graft on to people.� � They are of people who died and do� not know what to do when they get to that dimension, because they did not do their spiritual homework while in the body. � But I would like to know everything possible about this subject from people who are experienced and knowledgeable with scientology. � � David � � � _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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