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Using anything other than using TROM by the book, is just playing around with your case and according to the theory, the hardcore of the mind is only resolved using level 5 and RI. Anything else is just goofing off with the mind.
However, its always interesting to see what other stuff is out there between solo sessions from a research standpoint . Just as its interesting to read all this and the hardcore cases others have on the list : ) Whats the purpose of going from point A to point B via the rest of the alphabet when all you need to do is go from a to b. A = level1, B = level 5 On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 12:39 PM, JM <[email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > Hi David, the four books can all be read in isolation. However, the 4th > book is a distillation and revision of the material from the 1st 3 and has > routines on auditing BT's solo. > > Regards, > > Jon > > On 26 December 2010 18:24, David M. Pelly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> >> Thanks Jon, >> >> Yes, I was looking at the pdf of book 4. ( I did not have time to do any >> reading at the time, but I was planning to. ) >> >> I wasn't sure if it would contain the data I was looking for. >> >> So I also thought it would be best to get the first one. >> >> But they do indeed look like good reading material. >> >> >> David >> >> >> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:04:47 +0000 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Possession (LINKS TO TAPE & TRANSCRIPT)/Reply to >> Harry >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> >> ************ >> >> >> Hi David, the 4th LKin volume is free, and is downloadable in pdf format >> from the link I posted :) Regards, Jon On 25 December 2010 22:48, David M. >> Pelly wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by >> [email protected] > ************ > > > Thanks Harry, for your reply >> to my post on possession. > > I am of a similar spirit to you, that is >> putting my paws where they are > not supposed to be, and even more of a >> rebel type free spirit and one who > gathers data and then thinks for >> myself. > > I don't believe anything, as believing something does not make >> it true, so > why would I want to believe something that is not true or may >> not be true. > > I only want to know. > > I have posted similar in the past >> on this list and others and I just > realized that it is almost in the same >> class as Dennis'; a beings main or > only purpose is "to know and be known". >> > > I first heard the concept of intellectual function as I stated ( to know >> > )back in 89 at a little lecture a lady was holding in her basement near > >> Toronto. > > I just made this connection, after struggling with TROM for >> three years. > > But her datum was that a person should categorize data into >> three groups" > > 1. know > > 2. don't know > > 3. not sure. > > And not >> believe, as believing would actually fall under either 2 or 3 . > Opinions >> are of the same order. > > > > I got off on a tangent there but back to the >> possession problem, I thank > you for your viewpoint. > > I will listen to >> the tapes. > > I searched L. Kins books as Jon posted, but it looks like I >> will have to > order the books. > > I talked to him on the phone a few times >> when he was leaving Las Vegas in > about 03 or 04 and moving to the east >> coast and I bought his cd. I recall > getting nothing really useful from it, >> at least not that i was able to > gather at that time. I thought I still had >> it, but it looks like I threw it > out, because it is not in my cd pile. > > >> I am still open to other viewpoints and especially experiences from others > >> on entities and possession. > > I have heard a fair number of stories on >> possession and a friend told me of > some real poltergeist activities he >> personally experienced. > > And Jesus talks about excorsizing in the bible >> and telling Satan to get > behind him. > > I just remembered that back in >> the 80s and especially in 89 I was driving > truck and I felt these >> invisible things hitting me in my face and all over > my head, like >> invisible birds diving and flying into me. > > They were so bad that I could >> hardly do my work and they were driving me > mad. I found my self screaming >> at them and shooing them away like flies, > but they would disappear for a >> minute or so and return. There were lots of > them. > > So I recalled >> reading in the bible about how Jesus commanded Satan to get > behind him. > >> > I thought about that and figured if Jesus could do it, so could I, as > >> these things must obey us. > > So I did, but I did not want them behind me >> or near me, so I told them to > eff off and get out of my universe. > > It >> took a while, I do not remember how long, but they eventually > disappeared. >> > > I recall more now and I recall that I used that process for many yrs. I >> > think it was even for a few yrs after I got into scientology in 97. I > >> haven't had that problem since. > > > So I think there is something to it. > >> > I was quite certain that I was freed of all such entities. But maybe I am >> > not. > > I also just remember that there is a lot of information on such >> stuff in > Oahspe. They are called "grafters" in Oahspe. > > Meaning spirits >> who graft on to people. > > They are of people who died and do not know what >> to do when they get to > that dimension, because they did not do their >> spiritual homework while in > the body. > > But I would like to know >> everything possible about this subject from people > who are experienced and >> knowledgeable with scientology. > > > David > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > >> [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > >> Hi David, the 4th LKin volume is free, and is downloadable in pdf format >> from the link I posted :)� >> >> Regards, >> >> Jon >> >> On 25 December 2010 22:48, David M. Pelly <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by �[email protected] >> ************ >> >> >> �Thanks Harry, for your reply to my post on possession. >> � >> I am of a similar spirit to you, that is putting� my paws where they are >> not supposed to be, �and even more of a rebel type free spirit and one who >> gathers data and then thinks for myself. >> � >> I don't believe anything, as� believing something does not make it true, >> so why would I want to believe something that is not true or may not be >> true. >> � >> I only� want to know. >> � >> I have posted similar in the past on this list and others and I just >> realized that it is almost in the same class as Dennis'; �a beings main or >> only purpose is "to know and be known". >> � >> I first heard the concept of intellectual function as I stated ( to know >> )back in 89 at a little lecture a lady� was holding in her basement near >> Toronto.� >> � >> I just made this connection, after struggling with TROM for three years. >> � >> But her datum was that a person should categorize data into three groups" >> � >> 1. know >> � >> 2. don't know >> � >> 3. not sure. >> � >> And not believe, as believing would actually fall under either 2 or 3 .� >> Opinions are of the same order. >> � >> � >> � >> I got off on a tangent there but back to� the possession problem, I thank >> you for your viewpoint. >> � >> I will listen to the tapes. >> � >> I searched L. Kins books as Jon posted, but it looks like I will have to >> order the books. >> � >> I talked to him on the phone a few times when he was leaving Las Vegas in >> about 03 or 04 and moving to the east coast and I bought his cd.��� I recall >> getting nothing really useful from it, at least not that i was able to >> gather at that time.� I thought I still had it, but it looks like I threw it >> out, because it is not in my cd pile. >> � >> I am still open to other viewpoints and especially experiences� from >> others on entities and possession. >> � >> I have heard a fair number of stories on possession and a friend told me >> of some real poltergeist activities he personally experienced. >> � >> And Jesus talks about excorsizing in the bible and telling Satan to get >> behind him. >> � >> I just remembered� that back in the 80s and especially in 89� I was >> driving truck and I felt these invisible things hitting me in my face and >> all over my head, like invisible birds� diving and flying into me. >> � >> They were so bad that�I �could hardly do my work and they were driving me >> mad.� I found my self screaming at them and shooing them away like flies,� >> but they would disappear for a� minute or so and return. There were lots of >> them. >> � >> So I recalled reading in the bible about how Jesus commanded Satan to get >> behind him. >> � >> I� thought about that and figured if Jesus could do it, so could I, as >> these things must obey us. >> � >> So I did, but I did not want them behind me or near me, so I told them to >> eff off and get out of my universe. >> � >> It took a while, I do not remember how long, but they eventually >> disappeared. >> � >> I recall more now and I recall that I used that process� for many yrs.� I >> think it was even for a few yrs� after I got into scientology in 97.� I >> haven't had that problem since. >> � >> � >> So I think there is something to it.� >> � >> I was quite certain that I� was freed of all such entities.� But maybe I >> am not. >> � >> I also just remember� that there is a lot of information on such stuff in >> Oahspe.� They are called "grafters" in Oahspe. >> � >> Meaning spirits who graft on to people.� >> � >> They are of people who died and do� not know what to do when they get to >> that dimension, because they did not do their spiritual homework while in >> the body. >> � >> But I would like to know everything possible about this subject from >> people who are experienced and knowledgeable with scientology. >> � >> � >> David >> � >> � >> � >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list >> [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > -- Have a nice day *: ) *
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