************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Paul wrote:
"In games (not complementary postulates) one adopts a counter postulate to the one from another or others. As an example to know vs. to not know. In a games condition both parties are stuck in a 'must' of their opposite postulates, i.e., must know vs. must not know. I don't know if anyone has seen this who is on Level 5. Not only are there games conditions but where one could just have a simple game, that simple game (opposing postulates) also incorporates a games condition. In other words, a games condition of a game because the 'must' is also there." If there is no "must" then there is no "game". Me: There is a ball sitting on the floor in front of us. You: No there isn't. Me: OK If I accept that "for you" there is no ball there, then no game ensues. If, on the other hand, I insist that you adopt a complementary postulate and you refuse to do so, ah well, then we can have a nice game. Removal of the compulsion is just one step along the way. TROM or any process that has you inspecting your existence can take you even further beyond the mere removal of compulsive games play. The trap is carefully constructed. Even the state of "nothingness" is part of this trap, for it will draw you back into MEST. That needs to be run out as well. Nirvana is not a state of nothingness. The physical universe is not the ONLY universe in which to play. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Tipon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 2:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TROM1] Nirvana On Jul 17, 2012, at 3:04 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Once on can adopt complementary postulates, then one can leave the > universe. > Note, that is can, not will or must. > Yes, there is always the freedom of choice given that one has attained this freedom. Many because of their mind are stuck with 'must' or must not or can or can't or will ... or will not ... This is the basic premise that all therapies of the mind work towards remedying. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. You just might wind up with a game or games conditions on top of a game. > Thus, there is no need to always be making complementary postulates. > Certainly there is no need to do anything, a something or a nothing. It is all a matter of what one wishes to Be-Do-Have in the physical universe. Dennis' statement above is his statement of how one could be free to leave the physical universe. The same with 'to know'. One has the ability. That never went away but what is needed is the freedom to know meaning to know or not know at will. Then once that is achieved we still have the same decision of whether one will know or not know but the ability to apply either decision is available. In games (not complementary postulates) one adopts a counter postulate to the one from another or others. As an example to know vs. to not know. In a games condition both parties are stuck in a 'must' of their opposite postulates, i.e., must know vs. must not know. I don't know if anyone has seen this who is on Level 5. Not only are there games conditions but where one could just have a simple game, that simple game (opposing postulates) also incorporates a games condition. In other words, a games condition of a game because the 'must' is also there. > Brian _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
