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Thanks for your reply Sean.
It is quite a well reasoned and sensible response. For convenience sake, I will reply more interspersed. ************ > > David, > > First off, I have affinity and experience with both of those viewpoints > and many many other viewpoints on the subject of money that I have explored > and processed, lived through, dreamed, imagined and dealt with on all kinds > of weird and wonderful levels, for years upon dreary years of largely self > initiated unsupported and unrecognised (in any financial/commercial sense) > solo efforts. > > Lil ole me and the ENTIRE physical and metaphysical domain of money and > all it contains, every sort of priest and priestess and > mind-bending/distracting control structure installed therein, I’ve seen and > dealt with most of it in some form or another, and probably there is still > much more, though I suspect it is floundering in its ‘power base’ these > days. Life is supporting me in this without a doubt and ready to topple the > whole thing in timely fashion, though as a creation even then I suspect it > will never be gone, we’ll have to deal with it sooner or later. > D> I also have a pretty good understanding of money and experience, quite possibly of comparable magnitude to yours. > And have, to put this into greater context, spent the vast majority of my > adult life in more struggle than I care to mention here with the subject of > money until I decided I no longer desired to do that and so changed my > mind, very recently in fact, and guess what, my world started changing too, > little by little, small advance by small advance, and still does, BTW I’m > by no means rich by the standards I measure my progress, but able, > equipped, and more so each day, and that to me feels in keeping with > creativity and flow of life to develop and progress itself through all > available capacities, many of which have nothing at all to do with the > money I will add (like our activities here in the TROM forum – a gift) and > some which for now do. > > And on the remark ‘talk is cheap’ I could not disagree more with the idea, > I postulate very differently, as far as I’m concerned and have experienced > talk made correctly is perhaps THE greatest value and power we as human > beings have for our-self and each other, besides the power source itself, > talk is a direct way to use the power which exists, I know this, the > postulate ‘talk is cheap’ will not stop me talking, but I will stop if you > ask me to, that I guarantee. > > And on the actual subject of ‘having money’, though I have it in tangible > form, like all illusions I know it is illusory however much or little, > quantity makes no difference to its fictional basis, made up is made up, > period. > > D> Re; Talk is cheap: I don't think you quite duplicated me on that point. And my point was that you were saying or implying that time was irrelevant and I said time was money, and money is a necessary mest item in this world. And further my point is that I don't think that ramble that time is not real and that money is an illusion is all that intelligent or practical and the like. They are are necessary agreements and necessary medium of exchange) on our evolutionary journey, on which the majority of the people on this planet are still very low, like Slim mentions, most are not real human, yet. And on the actual subject of ‘having money’, though I have it in tangible form, like all illusions I know it is illusory however much or little, quantity makes no difference to its fictional basis, made up is made up, period. > In my research I find the logical current modern foundation of money we > can all point a finger at and rest and eye on in physical > manifestation/representation is total BS, it is provable fiction, > fairytales, a mass hallucination of sorts, I challenge anyone to follow the > bills to source and tell me you find some actual lawful structure for it > upon which our lives and this world actually depend, I bet you cannot find > one in reality if you’re being fully honest, not a real one anyway, only > ones we made up, or others made up and we bought into. > > Money serves its purpose and place like blood in the veins but is hardly > the life itself, only the conveyor, and becomes and is what we decide, > money can be anything we like, in the same way blood and basic cells can > form into ANY organ or semblance of form, quite literally, and that is 100% > our responsibility on a certain level, how that appears (or not). > > So yes I have money, enough for present needs, and more to come to deal > with new needs and situations that present themselves in the context of > money, and I’m using it to tend to the best things I know to improve mine > and others lives, this I postulate and affirm for mine and everyone’s > benefit who can benefit, but in a sense what I have and hold and use as > money is as far as I’m concerned an illusion, at best a useful temporary > medium, and I KNOW it! > > D> I do not subscribe to this money is an "illusion" viewpoint. Same with the mest universe. In regards to money, it is an agreement, and an agreement by default. Because there are not anywhere near enough people on the planet at a high enough stage on the scale of evolution to have a bona fide money form. At the present time, there may not be any more than one in a couple hundred thousand or so who are capable of handling a bona fide money system. In this world the truth is hidden and protected by many layers of lies, deceptions and traps to protect it from fools, swine and prostitutes. It is not wise to throw pearls in front of swine. Or give what is holy to prostitutes. In this case I am referring to bona fide money as "truth". But it applies to everything, even a good clearing process. And from what I gather, the banking system on this planet is controlled by forces that are not on this planet. And that appears to be true, based on my study. And evidently for good and apparent reasons. > And though its really none of my business or important in any ultimate > sense, I feel you should know it too, or at least consider it, whatever > side of the money fence you sit; for, against, oblivious, utterly 100% > transcendent of it yet willing to communicate (in that case help us out > here please, thankyou, though of course I know you already did ; ) > > I hope this helps clarify the context I’m coming from here? > > And again thanks, I hope you take these recent posts as what they are, an > on-going peaceful-confrontational process that I’m choosing to share openly > as it emerges, my game in this sense is discovery and this is usually what > I find leads to it. > > Oh, and BTW I’m happy to stop anytime of course, jus say the word! > D> You are taking my comm in the wrong context, as if I was "confrontational". And your comm also has an angry tone too. I was not confrontational. I was just correcting a point you made, that I thought was not practical or realistic. The idea that time ( as well as the rest of the mest universe) is an illusion is granola talk, that is; flakey, fruity and nutty. > > Sean > > > p.s. > *Come on to me and all these things you want shall be given to you and your > house made to overflowing when you obey my tenets. Ask and it shall be > give on to you.* > > Thanks David, I Am working on it! > D> Don't get the idea that I have mastered that yet. I presented it an an option. I am only one beggar, showing another where the bread is. And I think I said, that I hear that some people have mastered it. I think I have had brief glimpses of that dimension. But did not really understand what I had and what to do with it. So it was taken away from me. To my dismay. David > LOL> > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > .............................. > Sean, > > Thank you for your reply. > > Several viewpoints and responses popped into view for me. > > 1. It was based on pretty good reasoning. > > 2. But it is easy to talk like you do, when you have a pocket full of > money and more on the way. Talk is cheap. > > It is a very different story when you have no money. > > 3.The bible gives an option to depending on the MEST universe (physical > world) for a person's sustenance. > > It says something to the effect: > > *Come on to me and all these things you want shall be given to you and your > house made to overflowing when you obey my tenets. Ask and it shall be > give on to you.* > > > >From what I gather, there are people who have mastered the idea. > > > It correlates well with what Dennis says re: living by postulates. > > It is a datum of comparable magnitude. > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >
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