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I acknowledge your reply and good intentions. :) Until next time, all the best. David On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Sean Clarke <[email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > I’m perfectly happy with all of that David, LOL : ) > > There is as far as I’m concerned always going to be a limit to what little > black blobs on a screen, and perhaps any medium imaginable, can convey of > who you and I and any other being really is or is realising/intending in > actual reality, so no need to take quite so seriously this form of com (As > much a note to self as an instruction/suggestion to anyone else here BTW). > > Some of what you believe, it seems rather fervently if I interpret the > tone correctly, I will likely never agree or identify with, and there again > I’m open to considering it as on some level it must also be residual in me > or we’d not be having this encounter on any level. So feel free to share > the detail of what you KNOW to be true, I’m happy to explore it and love to > learn useful knowledge. > > However this discussion has/is/will pan out, I respect your view, and feel > great value in this exchange whether we see i to i on certain foundational > notions of reality or not. I have enjoyed and gained benefit in my > interactions here so far, thanks. > > And no there is no anger as such as you say, a smile on my face and a > little energetic intensity at the direct confrontation, mostly enthusiasm > for healthy debate and a great desire for practical as well as spiritual > discovery as much as anything else. > > > Wishing you all the best and generally looking forward to an “infinity of > affinity”, however it plays out! > > Sean > > > ...................................................... > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 09:58:02 -0500 > From: David Pelly <[email protected]> > To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] On Dissapearance & a Happy Adventurous 2014! > Message-ID: > <CAOEN_e_S=hMg5pr2xA6n52KNsx5Q_g3kP85t=su-fh6ka4a...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Thanks for your reply Sean. > > It is quite a well reasoned and sensible response. > > For convenience sake, I will reply more interspersed. > > > > > > > ************ > > > > David, > > > > First off, I have affinity and experience with both of those viewpoints > > and many many other viewpoints on the subject of money that I have > explored > > and processed, lived through, dreamed, imagined and dealt with on all > kinds > > of weird and wonderful levels, for years upon dreary years of largely > self > > initiated unsupported and unrecognised (in any financial/commercial > sense) > > solo efforts. > > > > Lil ole me and the ENTIRE physical and metaphysical domain of money and > > all it contains, every sort of priest and priestess and > > mind-bending/distracting control structure installed therein, I?ve seen > and > > dealt with most of it in some form or another, and probably there is > still > > much more, though I suspect it is floundering in its ?power base? these > > days. Life is supporting me in this without a doubt and ready to topple > the > > whole thing in timely fashion, though as a creation even then I suspect > it > > will never be gone, we?ll have to deal with it sooner or later. > > > > > > D> I also have a pretty good understanding of money and experience, quite > possibly of comparable magnitude to yours. > > > > > And have, to put this into greater context, spent the vast majority of my > > adult life in more struggle than I care to mention here with the subject > of > > money until I decided I no longer desired to do that and so changed my > > mind, very recently in fact, and guess what, my world started changing > too, > > little by little, small advance by small advance, and still does, BTW I?m > > by no means rich by the standards I measure my progress, but able, > > equipped, and more so each day, and that to me feels in keeping with > > creativity and flow of life to develop and progress itself through all > > available capacities, many of which have nothing at all to do with the > > money I will add (like our activities here in the TROM forum ? a gift) > and > > some which for now do. > > > > And on the remark ?talk is cheap? I could not disagree more with the > idea, > > I postulate very differently, as far as I?m concerned and have > experienced > > talk made correctly is perhaps THE greatest value and power we as human > > beings have for our-self and each other, besides the power source itself, > > talk is a direct way to use the power which exists, I know this, the > > postulate ?talk is cheap? will not stop me talking, but I will stop if > you > > ask me to, that I guarantee. > > > > And on the actual subject of ?having money?, though I have it in tangible > > form, like all illusions I know it is illusory however much or little, > > quantity makes no difference to its fictional basis, made up is made up, > > period. > > > > > > D> Re; Talk is cheap: I don't think you quite duplicated me on that > point. And my point was that you were saying or implying that time was > irrelevant and I said time was money, and money is a necessary mest item in > this world. > > And further my point is that I don't think that ramble that time is not > real and that money is an illusion is all that intelligent or practical and > the like. > > They are are necessary agreements and necessary medium of exchange) on our > evolutionary journey, on which the majority of the people on this planet > are still very low, like Slim mentions, most are not real human, yet. > > > > And on the actual subject of ?having money?, though I have it in tangible > form, like all illusions I know it is illusory however much or little, > quantity makes no difference to its fictional basis, made up is made up, > period. > > > > > In my research I find the logical current modern foundation of money we > > can all point a finger at and rest and eye on in physical > > manifestation/representation is total BS, it is provable fiction, > > fairytales, a mass hallucination of sorts, I challenge anyone to follow > the > > bills to source and tell me you find some actual lawful structure for it > > upon which our lives and this world actually depend, I bet you cannot > find > > one in reality if you?re being fully honest, not a real one anyway, only > > ones we made up, or others made up and we bought into. > > > > Money serves its purpose and place like blood in the veins but is hardly > > the life itself, only the conveyor, and becomes and is what we decide, > > money can be anything we like, in the same way blood and basic cells can > > form into ANY organ or semblance of form, quite literally, and that is > 100% > > our responsibility on a certain level, how that appears (or not). > > > > So yes I have money, enough for present needs, and more to come to deal > > with new needs and situations that present themselves in the context of > > money, and I?m using it to tend to the best things I know to improve mine > > and others lives, this I postulate and affirm for mine and everyone?s > > benefit who can benefit, but in a sense what I have and hold and use as > > money is as far as I?m concerned an illusion, at best a useful temporary > > medium, and I KNOW it! > > > > > D> I do not subscribe to this money is an "illusion" viewpoint. Same > with the mest universe. > > In regards to money, it is an agreement, and an agreement by default. > > Because there are not anywhere near enough people on the planet at a high > enough stage on the scale of evolution to have a bona fide money form. At > the present time, there may not be any more than one in a couple hundred > thousand or so who are capable of handling a bona fide money system. > > In this world the truth is hidden and protected by many layers of lies, > deceptions and traps to protect it from fools, swine and prostitutes. It > is not wise to throw pearls in front of swine. Or give what is holy to > prostitutes. > > In this case I am referring to bona fide money as "truth". > > But it applies to everything, even a good clearing process. > > And from what I gather, the banking system on this planet is controlled by > forces that are not on this planet. > And that appears to be true, based on my study. And evidently for good and > apparent reasons. > > > > > > > > > And though its really none of my business or important in any ultimate > > sense, I feel you should know it too, or at least consider it, whatever > > side of the money fence you sit; for, against, oblivious, utterly 100% > > transcendent of it yet willing to communicate (in that case help us out > > here please, thankyou, though of course I know you already did ; ) > > > > I hope this helps clarify the context I?m coming from here? > > > > And again thanks, I hope you take these recent posts as what they are, an > > on-going peaceful-confrontational process that I?m choosing to share > openly > > as it emerges, my game in this sense is discovery and this is usually > what > > I find leads to it. > > > > Oh, and BTW I?m happy to stop anytime of course, jus say the word! > > > > > D> You are taking my comm in the wrong context, as if I was > "confrontational". And your comm also has an angry tone too. I was not > confrontational. > > I was just correcting a point you made, that I thought was not practical > or realistic. > > The idea that time ( as well as the rest of the mest universe) is an > illusion is granola talk, that is; flakey, fruity and nutty. > > > > > > > Sean > > > > > > p.s. > > *Come on to me and all these things you want shall be given to you and > your > > house made to overflowing when you obey my tenets. Ask and it shall be > > give on to you.* > > > > Thanks David, I Am working on it! > > > > > > D> Don't get the idea that I have mastered that yet. > > I presented it an an option. > > > I am only one beggar, showing another where the bread is. > > > > And I think I said, that I hear that some people have mastered it. > > > I think I have had brief glimpses of that dimension. But did not really > understand what I had and what to do with it. > > So it was taken away from me. > > To my dismay. > > > David > > > > > > LOL> > > > > > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >
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