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Hi Marcus TROM is most useful right now that you recognize it's usefulness and have time to apply it.
I started out with the same struggle to juggle symptoms of restimulation and overrun that you mention. After many hours of RI and Timebreaking both became simple. The objective of both therapies is for me to get my attention in present time. It is like my attention is a flashlight and I can point it to an indecent in the past that still upsets me or I can point it at objects in the room with me which is the present. I run RI till all those distracting past objects fade away and I am just looking at the stuff I am creating now. I run an incident from the past and timebreak it till I am not interested in it anymore and my attention is in present time noticing the room around me or the chair I am sitting on or the bright sunny day outside my window starts looking more interesting that the dusty old incidents in my mind. For me this noticing where my attention is focused is the simplest method of confirming the end of process point. Keep on TROMing Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Jan 18, 2016, at 2:01 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > <[email protected]> wrote: > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hi Pete, > > Thanks for the reply. > > Changes > > When I was more beginner I used to time processes in order to get an idea of > what type of things would happen. The running of each step would be around > 15-20 minutes. I would never be sure if a tingle in my knee was a change or > just a random tingle, or if a desire to stretch was a change or just due to > being in the same position for 20 minutes. > > Then I kept doing things in a more regular schedule and some patterns started > to arise and I started taking them for use, as reference points, during the > drills. But I'm not sure how accurate they were in the first place. With RI > the changes were usually more reliable like yawns, warm waves running through > the body, electrical sensations, watery eyes, etc.would almost always happen. > But during level 2 they were more elusive, like a memory change or a > cognition once in while. And sooner or later that overrun symptom would > happen: continuing would become harder, I would suddenly have to recreate the > object in order to continue the comparisons. > > The headache - I think the headache could be due to doing the exercises lying > down for too long with the pillow folded under my head. It wasn't very common > actually. But since I'm redoing my scenes I think I should eventually meet > with it again and deal with it if needed. > > Would you mind sharing how you started figuring things out as a beginner on > level 2? Like telling how was a typical run of level 2 for you. > > The chinese Proverb > > Yes. I agree with your commentary. I would also say that the mechanism of > cross packaging and the service effect turn things even more difficult to > discern. It would be much more useful if available a couple trillion years > ago. Maybe... > > Marcus > > > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 16:19:18 -0800 > From: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Case Update > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Marcus > Good to hear from you again. > You have made a good observation that a two flow process must be repeated > until there is no new material appearing on both flows for 15 minutes of > running. So run flow A till no more change for 15 minutes of running then run > flow B till no more change for 15 minutes of running then run A again and > repeat A and B until you get no change on either with 15 minutes of running. > > I am concerned that you get a headache after running a process. This is a > change and needs to be run out. Do test for overrun but if you are not sure > it is overrun do some RI, then continue the process. The "getting hard to > run" sounds like an end point has been overrun so I would move on the the > next flow or process you planed to run. > > Interesting Chinese proverb. But since we came into this universe to play > games where there are no rules beyond the To Know goals and with no time > limit to the game it might be difficult to apply. > > Keep on TROMing > > Pete McLaughlin > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 17, 2016, at 2:59 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > ************* > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > ************ > > Hello! > > > > Nice to hear from you all and from the new trommer. > > > > Last year I was on a good disciplined schedule doing level 2 but I had a > > small stress crisis with PT issues and I was only being able to do RI > > during that time. I also detected a major mistake skipping the repeat part > > in Level 2 (I thought I had to do differences until no change then > > similarities until no change and that would be it; I didn't go back to > > check if more changes were still available). After these two hindrances I > > engaged in some 'fun' activities and lost some of my speed. I'm currently > > trying to recover my pace again. Level 2 is running somewhat slower and I'm > > trying to disengage from the fun activities. > > > > One thing I didn't reported back from my case is about the "no more change" > > point. Apparently it evolves as you make progress. In the beginning my > > guide would be the calmness of mind that I'd achieve during RI - I didn't > > have any other 'clear' reference point. Then, after I got better and my > > mind was pretty calm in general the "no more change" point was either a > > small headache or the drill would suddenly become hard to continue. The > > latter is similar to one of The Pilot's description of end phenomena for > > some types of exercise. And this is the best description I can give so far. > > > > Interesting chinese proverb I've stumbled upon last month: > > > > "If you must play, decide on three things at the start: the rules of the > > game, the stakes and the quitting time." > > > > Marcus > > _______________________________________________ > > TROM mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of TROM Digest, Vol 135, Issue 10 > ************************************* > > > > -- > Marcus Franchi > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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