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Hi Aarre Games are by definition always postulates in conflict. My point was that Dennis says most of the Mass and Space and Time are byproducts of games and not directly created by postulates but indirectly created by postulates in conflict. Or to state it another way 99.999% of the matter in this universe was not created by a being postulating it into existence but was created by two beings in conflict.
In book "03 Expand on Level 5" Dennis States: "Where Does all the Mass Come From? Ok, so much for that Greg, we now press on. I said earlier on that we live in a universe that only consists of life and postulates. Well where does all the mass come from? I mean, it’s obviously not mocked up mass in the universe. How come there’s so much mass in the universe It’s not been created mass. It’s not directly created mass. It just doesn’t work out that way. It’s not created mass. If it was created mass it would come apart rather easily, but no, it’s not created mass, the mass of this universe." Dennis goes on in that same book: "Sensations But let me briefly talk a little about the subject of the sensations. Now we’ve known in Scientology for a long while, sensations are a sort of mass, there a sort of a mass. A sensation is not an emotion. Sensations are not emotions, there different from emotions. Emotions are little masses too, but sensations are somewhat different. And it wasn’t understood where these sensations came from in Scientology. We sure as hell knew that they existed because everyone's got them but nobody seemed to quite understand just how they came about and what they were. Well one of the things that I discovered when working on the subject of postulates in opposition was that sensation occurs at the boundary between opposing postulates. Sensation is generated, to be more precise. Sensation is generated at the boundary of opposing postulates. We have this datum that sensation is generated at the boundary between opposing postulates. Now this is an important datum because this is the essence of where the vast majority of mass in this universe comes from. You see, there’s a scale of sensations which goes from very, very light down through very, very heavy sensations. As the space closes and the intensity of the postulates increases the quality of the sensation changes and is more perceived as mass rather than as a sensation. I don’t want to get too involved in this Greg because it gets into material where I’m still researching, but I can say at this point with absolute certainty that the vast majority of the mass in this universe comes about at the boundary between opposing postulates and is essentially sensation mass. It’s mass that’s brought about in games play where the conflict between opposing postulates generates fused postulates and the mass tends to condense out." So most of the mass we have around us is unconsciously generated while we play games. This is important as we cannot un-mock a planet by just realizing that John created that planet and thus As-is-ing it. The mass of a planet was unconsciously created in games play and by the laws of physics coalesced into a planet and developed life or not depending on whether is was close enough to a star to have liquid water. It was not created by a being directly so cannot be un-mocked by As-is-ing it. Thus we have phenomenon in the world around us like storms and earthquakes and so on which are not caused by beings creating them but are the product of the laws of physics. Likewise bodies are born, grow up, get old and then get sick and die. It is not a matter of the being occupying the body failing to unmock the cancer that is killing him. The cancer is the result of the laws of biology, chemistry, and physics as they apply to bodies that get older. Does that make it clearer, Aarre? Sincerely Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Jun 16, 2016, at 8:31 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > <[email protected]> wrote: > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Pete, > Show me in the manual where Dennis states that any game is created by other > than postulates ?? If postulates create games play, and games play creates > mass (MEST), therefore MEST comes about from postulates, whether directly > or indirectly. I don't want to go into a big search now, but in one of the > lectures, Dennis states that there are only 2 factors in this, or any other > universe, 1. The thetan (spirit), and 2. The > postulates/purposes/goals/intentions of the thetan.. There isn't any > thing else any where. > > Aarre > >> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:53 PM, The Resolution of Mind list >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> >> Hi David and Aarre >> I am glad that David pointed out this line in your email as I missed it the >> first time I read it. In fact Dennis stated that most of the mass of this >> universe and therefore the stars and planets are the by product of games >> play not the direct creation of objects by postulate. >> So mass like hydrogen was created in games play along with space and time to >> play the games. The mass acting according to the laws of physics in this >> universe collected to become stars where low mass atoms are fused to higher >> mass atoms. It took three generations of stars to produce the 98 chemical >> elements in the abundances found on Earth where the laws of physics allow >> life to create living things and geological forces to create mountains, seas >> an atmosphere etc. >> >> People create their life and problems and games with their postulates but >> other people can also create problems and games for you and the geology and >> weather create problems for you when they happen to cause earthquakes, >> volcanic eruptions, storms etc. >> >> Keep on TROMing >> Pete >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On May 25, 2016, at 7:34 AM, The Resolution of Mind list >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> >>> Aarre, >>> >>> Re: >>> >>> >>> EVERYTHING IS CREATED BY OUR POSTULATES ALONE !! >>> >>> >>> That is one of the biggest lies and traps in scn and TROM. >>> >>> >>> >>> It is one reason why no one will or can go clear in scientology or TROM. >>> >>> But instead, spin themselves down into a more tangled, insane fuck up, >>> >>> then argue to defend their incompetence, ignorance, stupidity and the >>> right to be that way. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I am astounded and bewildered why no one has ever realized this before? >>> >>> >>> >>> Especially those who have been into this stuff for a life time and think >>> they know so much about this subject and even think they are superior, high >>> horse authorities that argue that "right is wrong" and "wrong is right", >>> and disdainfully talk down to others and condemn, abuse, ridicule and >>> scorn and berate. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Shakespeare so wisely and eloquently articulated: >>> >>> Oh, proud man, proud man, most assured about what he is least aware. >>> >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:55 PM, The Resolution of Mind list >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> >>>> Hi Aarre, >>>> >>>> Those are great questions indeed! And it would be fun to know the answer. >>>> I dont know much about external viewpoints other than the reports of >>>> others though. >>>> >>>> Maybe whoever has great external viewpoints or other special perceptions >>>> prefer to not talk (or use) much of it for good reasons or something. >>>> >>>> Marcus >>>> >>>> Em 24 de mai de 2016 2:17 AM, "The Resolution of Mind list" >>>> <[email protected]> escreveu: >>>>> ************* >>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>> ************ >>>>> >>>>> Marcus, >>>>> >>>>> I don't remember ! >>>>> >>>>> I do have a question and statement. >>>>> >>>>> Dennis - Level 5 done ? >>>>> EVERYTHING IS CREATED BY OUR POSTULATES ALONE !! This datum rings more >>>>> true to me than nearly any other datum that I have. If Dennis finished >>>>> level 5, was able to exit his viewpoint from the physical universe at >>>>> will like a light switch on or off, Nirvana, Native State, his >>>>> original beingness, etc., then why did he find it beneficial to create >>>>> stronger postulates to have bad eyesight than to create good eyesight >>>>> during his latter body years ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? >>>>> Why does this barrier serve him so well in his parttime gamesmanship ? >>>>> You must have freedoms, goals, and barriers to have any game according >>>>> Lafayette Ronald Hubbard. While out the top, to have a fun game, why >>>>> have a bad body; that's no fun !! >>>>> >>>>> Mystery upon question upon more mystery . >>>>> >>>>> Aarre Peltomaa >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 8:10 PM, The Resolution of Mind list >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> ************* >>>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>>> ************ >>>>>> >>>>>> Multiple times on this list I've came across people, some critics, some >>>>>> favorable, saying that Dennis didn't complete his level 5 in Trom. Some >>>>>> even saying that he didn't ever had started it (L.5) - I think J. >>>>>> Methven says this in a post. That always seemed kind of wild and >>>>>> contradictory with the book itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this explained in any of the Trom's available materials? And is there >>>>>> anything detailing Dennis' case evolution? I think I've read/listened to >>>>>> at least 90% of all of Trom's supplementary materials and I've never got >>>>>> anything that would clarify this subject. >>>>>> >>>>>> Plus, is there any reliable material explaining how Ron (LRH) developped >>>>>> his own case and all of his early insights (before he wrote dianetics)? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think anything relating to those subjects would be amazing reads. >>>>>> >>>>>> Marcus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TROM mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TROM mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TROM mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TROM mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TROM mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > _______________________________________________ > TROM mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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