On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:02:13 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Blainer wrote:
> > This might seem to be a contradiction to those not familiar
> > with the distinction between the Aaronic (the lesser PH)
> > and the Melchizedek (the Higher, or "high" PH) Priesthoods.
>
> I think I understand this distinction very well.
>
> Blainer wrote:
> > The BoM makes it explicit that the High Priesthood was had
> > among the people of Lehi, and was passed down from father
> > to son. This High Priesthood allows a holder to officiate in
> > all the ordinances of the gospel, including those relating to the
> > order of Aaron.
>
> But this idea contradicts the Bible. Your statement might seem
> non-contradictory to someone who does not believe what the Bible
> teaches
> about the Melchisedec priesthood, but for those of us who know the
> Bible,
> the contradiction is obvious. The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ
> started
> the Melchisedec priesthood, and that this came after the law.
**Blainer) Jesus Christ is an eternal being. The Melchizedek PH was
his PH from the beginning of time, just not called that. It was called
the Priesthood after the Order of the Son of God.
The
> priesthood of Aaron came from the tribe of Levi, but the Melchisedec
> priesthood is of the tribe of Judah, through the line of David, and
> through
> Jesus Christ.
**Blainer) Paul's epistle to the Hebrews was intended to convince them
that one did not have to be a Levite to hold priesthood authority. It
says nothing about the Melchizedek PH being confined to the tribe of
Judah. Re-Read it. You made this up.
Furthermore, the establishment of the Melchisedec
> priesthood
> causes a disannulling of the Aaronic priesthood.
**Blainer) The Aaronic PH is an appendage of the Melchizedek PH.
Christ held all authority pertaining to the Aaronic order because he held
Melchizedek authority, which supercedes the order of Aaron, just as the
gospel of Jesus Christ supercedes the law of Moses. Mormons teach that
Moses held this same Higher PH, as did many of the prophets down through
the ages. Moses received it from his father-in-law, Jethro, the HP of
Midian. The Midianites are descendants of Abraham. Abraham also held
this High PH, which he received from Melchizedek himself, as he paid
tithes to this great high priest and king.
Mormons further teach that this PH is without beginning of days or end of
years, being called the Priesthood after the order of The Son Of God
prior to Melchizedek's time. Adam held it and so did Noah. The Mormon
slant on the passages in Hebrews characterizing Melchizedek as being w/o
beginning of days or end of years is that it is a mistranslation. We
believe Melchizedek died as all men have done since the fall of Adam.
But if he is still alive, where is he? Perhaps we should start a
Melchizedek sightings club, and . . . (:>) Has anyone seen Elvis
lately? LOL
These points are
> all
> clearly spelled out in the Bible. If you are not familiar with the
> Biblical
> teaching on these points,
Blainer) The Book of Hebrews, mostly.
let me know and I will be happy to walk
> you
> through the relevant passages step by step.
>
> The problem is that the Book of Mormon blatantly contradicts the
> Bible in
> talking about these people of Lehi practicing their religion as it
> describes
> it.
**Blainer) It only seems to contradict the Bible to you who do not
understand the big picture of what the Melchizedek PH is all about.
The BOM claims these people were descended from Joseph, not
> from Levi
> (the Aaronic priesthood), nor from Judah (the Melchisedec
> priesthood). The
> BOM claims that these Israelites were instructed by God to go away
> from
> Jerusalem, the place where God had determined to set his name, to
> America,
> and to establish a temple and sacrifices over in this new land.
> This is
> completely contrary to the Hebrew Scriptures.
Blainer) We already went through this once. There are many records of
people leaving the area of Jerusalem who were of the House of Israel.
Most of the people on the Nazarene Net are not even Hebrews, they are
Hebrew wannabes, and know no more than anyone with a basically Christian
background.
Try suggesting that
> this was
> God to your Hebrew friends on the www.nazarene.net site and see what
> they
> say. They will surely scorn you with laughter for making such a
> suggestion,
> and blast you with Scriptures to show you the utter foolishness of
> the idea.
*Blainer) I was never blasted on this issue while I was a membor of Lost
Tribes and/or any other Nazarene Judaism sites. In fact, most of them
believe the nations of northern Europe are composed of various tribes of
the House of Israel--for instance, Denmark was where the tribe of Dan
settled, the British Isles are composed of the tribes of Ephraim and
Judah (the Lion and the Unicorn as national symbols), they go on and on.
I suppose the lost tribes of Israel are somewhere on this planet. There
is a record of them being removed from Palestine, but not ever returning.
The Scythians were, according to some of these Nazarene Jews, of the
House of Israel, and some of these people try to document the travels of
these people through Asia and into Europe, where they finally settled.
This is an entirely different area if study, but somewhat related to what
we are discussing.
> Anyone who seriously believes the Bible and its commandments cannot
> accept
> the Book of Mormon on this particular subject.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
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