On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:02:49 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> The credibility problem comes with Joe Smith, >> child sex, other men's wives sex, and the book >> of Abraham just to mention a small start.
Blainer wrote: > All unproven. This all exists in the doubtful hearts > of non-believers. None of it has ever been > conclusively proven. You must be kidding. Let's start with the first one, and if profitable, move on to every one of the other items you claim have all been unproven. Child sex: Helen Mar Kimball was the daughter of Heber Chase Kimball. Prior to Heber giving his daughter to Joseph Smith, Heber had suffered a test from Joseph Smith whereby Joseph demanded him to give to Joseph Smith his very own wife. Soon after that test, Heber himself was explained the principle of polygamy and himself instructed to marry another woman who Joseph Smith had chosen for him. Heber did as he was commanded by Joseph Smith, and so he was polygamous before giving his daughter to Joseph Smith. Eventually, Heber, Helen's father, married some 35 women. Helen Mar Kimball married Joseph Smith at age 14. Initially, she reacted with anger toward the idea of polygamy and vehemently objected to it. However, because she knew her father loved her and believed he would not lead her into something that would be bad for her, and because of a promise involving her the salvation of herself and her entire family, she agreed to it. Joseph Smith told this child, "If you will take this step, it will ensure your eternal salvation & exaltation and that of your father's household & all of your kindred." Helen wrote in her memoirs, "this promise was so great that I willingly gave myself to purchase so glorious a reward." Should we add child manipulation to the crimes committed here? What say you, Blaine? Can this be accepted as an example of child sex??? Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida USA p.s. I recently learned from reading the Hadith that Mohammed married a 6 year old and had consummated marriage with her when she was 9. Of course, as "The Prophet," Mohammed was allowed more than the 4 wives restricted to men by the Qur'an. Remember the case of Sarah Stiles, who I mentioned in past posts as having apparently married Joseph Smith at age 5, and later married Heber C. Kimball (Helen's father mentioned above) at age 8? Well, the similarities between Islam and Mormonism just get more amazing all the time. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
