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Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:46
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Growth
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DAVEH: As I said before, when Jeff made that comment, it caused
me to wince. I think Jeff responded in error, unless he was thinking
along the lines I just mentioned. I can't imagine any LDS person from
the bottom (Jeff) to the top (Pres Hinckley) not believing in the virgin
birth, death and resurrection of Jesus. That is the way I remember
you defining "Christian", and that is doctrine that LDS theology subscribes
to.
He then backed down, maybe.
THIS MORMON JESUS BEING THE BROTHER OF SATAN IS SUSPECT AT THE VERY
LEAST. DAVEH: I explained
that relative to the pre-mortal existence. I understand you don't
believe it. In fact, you said something to the effect that you
really don't care about any pre-mortal existence, if I remember
correctly. It is that lack of interest in something that is so
important which I find so interesting. That is why I am in
TT.....to find out why Protestants would ignore such an important part
of the gospel and their eternal progression.
This is where you don't understand Christians. All
Christians preach the same gospel. The gospel is the death,
buriel, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. This is where we
all agree.
DAVEH: Then you would consider LDS folks to be
Christian too, since we believe the
such!?!?!?!?!?
Michael D: Dave H, and Glenn, on a point of
interest ... If someone said he believed in Jesus who was born of a
virgin, died and resurrected, but was fathered by a super-evolved ape,
and is/was himself one, would that qualify as the same Jesus as
Christians, and LDSers, believe
in? DAVEH: No to both questions.
Michael D: Well, the conclusion is obvious, I am
sure. The Jesus LDS folks believe in was created by the Father, who was once
a man (haven't gotten a definitive answer from Dave H. yet as to how He
became such. Of course, there was a non-LDS offering recently {Perry,
I think} that summarized the LDS teaching thus: God, the Father of
Jesus, resulted from an infinite regression of Gods... Is that accurate LDS
Dave H??? If not, can you offer fruther enlightenment?) and is
now an exalted man: as is the Son whom He created, who was an
angel, the brother of
satan, who became a mortal man, and has now achieved the state
of exalted man, thus making him a God like His Father. And He is working to
make us all exalted men , thus making us Gods like Him and His Father.
Did I get that right, Dave H?
Contrastingly, Born-again Christians believe that God
the Father is eternal: having no beginning nor ending, He alwasy was God and
never was anything else. Jesus is also eternal, having no beginning, nor
ending. Was never an angelic being, but always
divine, was the creator of satan, and all other
things that ever came into being. He took on human flesh an thus becoming a
man, and having been glorified, is now Lord of all creation, Not just by
virtue of creation anymore, but by virtue of redemption and
reconciliation.
The Mormon Jesus, and the Jesus of Born-again
Christians share great diffeerences which set them eternities apart from
each other.
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