Dear Pete, Thanks for the clarification. Nice to have you pop in again. How's the Ph.D. coming along?
Yes, "differentiation" is a word. http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary 1 : the act or process of differentiating --Marlin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 8:17 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines > > Dear Perry, > I agree with you that by accepting Jesus we throw ourselves to the mercy of > the court. I agree that these kinds of gifts ( grace, salvation, lose, > etc..) CANNOT BE EARNED. But I still believe that keeping God's law is > required for salvation...- God is the BOSS and if you want to work for Him, > you will have to FOLLOW HIS COMPANY POLICY! > Also, I do want to make a differentiation (is that a word?) here between > commandment-keeping and works of law- THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING. The > Torah tells us to remember the stranger, widow, fatherless, etc. in the > land. It does not command us to do anything specific in this regard, just > to be mindful of them and to help them where possible. The offering up of > freewill offerings to God is a WORK OF THE LAW. This work is HOLY, JUST, > and GOOD. However, it is not REQUIRED for being Torah observant. Other > offerings for sin, and daily sacrifices and all were required to be made > continually (but of course that is our Savior's job and business today). > The command to "do no murder!" was a command. It did not, however make > anyone more righteous in regard to law observance if, for instance, a man > refrained from going out and murdering somebody that day. He was obviously > in the wrong, however, if he did kill someone that day. There was a > difference between the two things, however. One was a command, the other > was a prescribed "work of law" (the freewill offering). > Does it make you anymore righteous to abide in either? NO! > Is it it good to give freewill offerings and not hate your brother? Yes. > Is it not even commanded now by Jesus to love your enemies? > It would be great to have your thoughts on this DaveH, or anyone who > feels inclined to respond. > -Peter Peterson > > > > > > >From: "Charles Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines > >Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:03:11 +0000 > > > >Peter, et al, > > > >If we all are required to keep the commandments, then no one is saved: > >Rom 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." This > >includes me, and you, and every human that has ever lived. Otherwise, there > >would be no need for a savior. We would be judged "by the law" because we > >lived "by the law". > > > >Think of it this way. God shows mercy and bestows grace on those who > >believe. Showing mercy is not delivering a punishment that one deserves. > >(Think of one throwing oneself at the mercy of the court. They are asking > >the court for a lesser punishment than they deserve!) The mercy shown us by > >God is that we are saved from the penalty of our sins (and the wages of sin > >is death!). > > > >Grace is bestowing a gift that is not deserved. The grace we are given by > >God is eternal life. Mercy and grace are free gifts, given to those who > >believe. Gifts cannot be earned. To take any credit for either our > >salvation or our eternal life would be to reject the free gifts of God, and > >thus nullify the sacrifice of his son. > > > >Even after we are saved, we are still sinners. While are "position" > >relative to Christ has changed in that we have been removed from the > >penalty of sin, we still are under the power and in the presence of sin. > >However, because of our understanding of the mercy and grace of God, we > >seek to obey the commandments of God. This means we do not deliberately > >sin, but when we do inadvertently sin, we ask for forgiveness and he is > >faithful to forgive us. > > > >Perry > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines > >Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:58:28 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Perry, Marlin and all, > > > > Sorry that I haven't been able to write for a while- I have been SO > > > >BUSY!!! I had not checked my inbox enough, and the hotmail account got > > > >full, and must have started sending back mail. I re-joined, however, > >and > > > >now I believe that I am beginning to recieve all posts. > > > > I believe that keeping God's commands are not what saves you. > >However, > > > >does that necessarily mean that they are not required for salvation? > > >From > > > >what we know about God, we know that He has certain codes for living by. > > > > > >Apparently, the Adversary sinned when he stopped living by these > > > >laws(written or not at the time). His heart became lifted up with > >pride. > > > >He was cast out from heaven to earth. What was the condition that > >caused > > > >him not to be able to be with God???? PRIDE! > > > > Would God allow a person who willfully and knowingly disobeyed His > >laws > > > >eternal life???? > > > > IS IT POSSIBLE THAT COMMANDMENT-KEEPING, WHILE NOT BEING THE > >THING(JESUS) > > > >THAT SAVES A MAN, CAN STILL BE A REQUIRMENT FOR ETERNAL LIFE AND > > > >SALVATION??????? > > > >-PETER > > > > > > > > > > > >Oooh, what a juicy question! What will Jesus say when He returns? > >Matthew 7 > >23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; (1 > ><http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=MATT+7:23&language=eng > >lish&version=NASB&showfn=on&showxref=on#crossref_252648311_1#crossref_25 > >2648311_1> ) DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' Who can > >answer this??? Izzy > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=74 74&SU= > >http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmoresp am_3mf > > > >---------- > >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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