The "old covenant" promissed the "new covenant," therefore the latter is the
result of the former, but with better promisses. We are not only promissed
long life for obedience, but eternal life. We are not only promissed
blessings and persecutions in this life for obedience, but in the life to
come, life eternal with reward according to our work.
MAR 10:30 {But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses,
and
brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands,
with
persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.}
LUK 18:30 {Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and
in
the world to come life everlasting.}
JOH 12:25 {He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his
life
in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.}
LUK 6:23 {Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your
reward
[is] great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers
unto
the prophets.}
REV 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time
of
the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest
give
reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and
them
that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them
which destroy the earth.
REV 22:12 {And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to
give
every man according as his work shall be.}
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
> I do not at all downplay the importance of the OT, but throughout the NT
the
> "new covenant" is mentioned by Christ, and discussed extensively by the
> Apostles. When there is a "new covenant" the "old covenant" disappears
(Heb
> 8:13), does it not? Why have a "new covenant" if nothing has changed from
> the "old covenant"? Well, Marlin, what changed that required a "new
> covenant"? If you choose to live under the "old covnenant", I guess that
is
> your right, but I live under the "new covenant", the one that Christ
sealed
> with His blood.
>
> Perry
>
> >From: "Marlin Halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
> >Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:59:47 -0500
> >
> >The Jews are only one of several tribes originating from the seed of
> >Abraham! The "OT" is a history of the origins of all people, from Adam
> >onward, and from Noah onward. The "OT" plan of salvation was intended to
> >encompass all people. Israel's children were singled out for a purpose
> >leading to Jesus through whom all other nations would be blessed.
> >
> >You cannot dismiss the "OT" as merely "the history of the Jews." Read!
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:58 AM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
> >
> >
> > > Terry, you speak the truth. However, the OT is the history of the
Jews,
> >not
> > > the Gentiles. Christianity encompasses all who believe in Christ,
> >regardless
> > > of one's position BEFORE believing. They are two separate groups.
> > >
> > > >From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to
sin
> > > >Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:42:46 -0600
> > > >
> > > >All God's instructions to Christians are in the Holy Bible. If it is
> >not
> > > >there, I would advise you to fergedaboudit.
> > > >
> > > >Terry
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:08 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is
to
> >sin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I posted this some time ago, and thought some who have joined
the
> > > >group
> > > > > > since it was posted might like to ponder the implications since
> >the
> > > >Law
> > > > > has
> > > > > > once again become a hot topic.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Original Message ---
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an interesting book called "The Seven Laws of Noah"
(second
> > > > > edition,
> > > > > > by Aaron Lichtenstein, The Rabbi Jacob Joseph School Press, NY,
> >1981).
> > > >The
> > > > > > book presents ancient Talmudic evidence for a body of law that
was
> > > > > delivered
> > > > > > to Noah, thus predating the Mosaic law. When the Mosaic law was
> > > >delivered
> > > > > to
> > > > > > the Jews, the Noahide law remained in effect for all Gentiles,
so
> >that
> > > > > there
> > > > > > were two bodies of law in effect, one for the Jews, and one for
> >the
> > > > > > Gentiles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Noahide law appears to be a subset of the 613 Mosaic laws
> > > >recognized
> > > > > by
> > > > > > the Jews. If this indeed is the case, then Gentiles never were
> >under
> > > > > Mosaic
> > > > > > law, but Noahide law, and so the question would become whether
we
> > > > > gentiles,
> > > > > > who are Christians, are still under the Noahide law!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, the Old Testament never mentions the Laws of Noah in
> >any
> > > >formal
> > > > > > manner, as it does the Mosaic law, and one might expect that,
> >since
> >it
> > > >is
> > > > > > the history of the Jews. There are other ancient laws in the OT
> >that
> > > >are
> > > > > > inferred, although not formally delivered, an example of which
can
> >be
> > > >seen
> > > > > > in the fact that Cain and Abel were required to make sacrifices.
> >There
> > > > > > obviously was a right way and a wrong way to do it, and
somewhere
> > > >along
> > > > > the
> > > > > > line they had to be told what this was. Additionally, there must
> >have
> > > >been
> > > > > a
> > > > > > law against murder since Cain was marked for killing Abel. It is
> > > >possible
> > > > > > that the Noahide law may have been a continuation of the law
> >delivered
> > > >to
> > > > > > Cain and Abel, or possily even to Adam and Eve.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The seven Noahide laws are:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Justice. (An imperative to pursue social justice, and a
> >prohibition
> > > >of
> > > > > > any miscarriage of justice.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Blasphemy. (Prohibits a curse directed at the Supreme Being.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. Idolatry. (Prohibits the worship of idols and planets.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4. Illicit Intercourse. (Prohibits adultery, incest, sodomy, and
> > > > > > bestiality.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 5. Homicide. (Prohibits murder and suicide.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 6. Theft. (Prohibits a wrongful taking of another's goods.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 7. Limb of a living creature. (Prohibits the eating of animal
> >parts
> > > >which
> > > > > > were severed from a living animal.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Having enumerated the 7 laws of Noah, the author of the book
then
> > > > > separately
> > > > > > considers each of the seven laws, and determines which of the
613
> > > >Mosaic
> > > > > > laws are covered by each of the 7 Noahide laws, and determines
> >that
> >66
> > > >of
> > > > > > the 613 Mosaic laws are thus included in the Noahide laws. As
the
> > > >author
> > > > > > points out, it is much easier to be a gentile than a Jew!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, the book was given to me by a Jewish friend who
holds
> >that
> > > > > > gentiles still DO fall under the Noahide Law, while Jews fall
> >under
> > > >the
> > > > > > Mosaic law. I guess he was tired of answering all of my
questions!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perry
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse
is
> >to
> > > >sin
> > > > > > >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:51:53 -0600
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >As I said, feel free to drop by any time to chew us out, Glenn.
> >It's
> > > > > always
> > > > > > >so refreshing. :-) We knew you were itching for it. Izzy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 6:30 PM
> > > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >Subject: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to
> >sin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >THE LAW IS A CURSE BECAUSE EVERYONE, THAT'S EVERYONE, DISOBEYS
> >IT.
> > > > > THAT'S
> > > > > > >INCLUDES DAVID MILLER. I HAVE PERSONALLY OBSERVED HIM
DISOBEYING
> >THE
> > > >LAW
> > > > > > >ON
> > > > > > >TT.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >This
> > > > > > > >passage speaks of the "curse of the law" which
> > > > > > > >is the curse that comes upon those who disobey
> > > > > > > >it (Deut. 28). This passage does NOT say that
> > > > > > > >the law is a curse.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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