From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:42:46 -0600
All God's instructions to Christians are in the Holy Bible. If it is not
there, I would advise you to fergedaboudit.
Terry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
>
>
> > I posted this some time ago, and thought some who have joined the group
> > since it was posted might like to ponder the implications since the Law
> has
> > once again become a hot topic.
> >
> >
> > --- Original Message ---
> >
> > I have an interesting book called "The Seven Laws of Noah" (second
> edition,
> > by Aaron Lichtenstein, The Rabbi Jacob Joseph School Press, NY, 1981).
The
> > book presents ancient Talmudic evidence for a body of law that was
> delivered
> > to Noah, thus predating the Mosaic law. When the Mosaic law was
delivered
> to
> > the Jews, the Noahide law remained in effect for all Gentiles, so that
> there
> > were two bodies of law in effect, one for the Jews, and one for the
> > Gentiles.
> >
> > The Noahide law appears to be a subset of the 613 Mosaic laws recognized
> by
> > the Jews. If this indeed is the case, then Gentiles never were under
> Mosaic
> > law, but Noahide law, and so the question would become whether we
> gentiles,
> > who are Christians, are still under the Noahide law!
> >
> > Of course, the Old Testament never mentions the Laws of Noah in any
formal
> > manner, as it does the Mosaic law, and one might expect that, since it
is
> > the history of the Jews. There are other ancient laws in the OT that are
> > inferred, although not formally delivered, an example of which can be
seen
> > in the fact that Cain and Abel were required to make sacrifices. There
> > obviously was a right way and a wrong way to do it, and somewhere along
> the
> > line they had to be told what this was. Additionally, there must have
been
> a
> > law against murder since Cain was marked for killing Abel. It is
possible
> > that the Noahide law may have been a continuation of the law delivered
to
> > Cain and Abel, or possily even to Adam and Eve.
> >
> > The seven Noahide laws are:
> >
> > 1. Justice. (An imperative to pursue social justice, and a prohibition
of
> > any miscarriage of justice.)
> >
> > 2. Blasphemy. (Prohibits a curse directed at the Supreme Being.)
> >
> > 3. Idolatry. (Prohibits the worship of idols and planets.)
> >
> > 4. Illicit Intercourse. (Prohibits adultery, incest, sodomy, and
> > bestiality.)
> >
> > 5. Homicide. (Prohibits murder and suicide.)
> >
> > 6. Theft. (Prohibits a wrongful taking of another's goods.)
> >
> > 7. Limb of a living creature. (Prohibits the eating of animal parts
which
> > were severed from a living animal.)
> >
> > Having enumerated the 7 laws of Noah, the author of the book then
> separately
> > considers each of the seven laws, and determines which of the 613 Mosaic
> > laws are covered by each of the 7 Noahide laws, and determines that 66
of
> > the 613 Mosaic laws are thus included in the Noahide laws. As the author
> > points out, it is much easier to be a gentile than a Jew!
> >
> > By the way, the book was given to me by a Jewish friend who holds that
> > gentiles still DO fall under the Noahide Law, while Jews fall under the
> > Mosaic law. I guess he was tired of answering all of my questions!
> >
> > Perry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
> > >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:51:53 -0600
> > >
> > >As I said, feel free to drop by any time to chew us out, Glenn. It's
> always
> > >so refreshing. :-) We knew you were itching for it. Izzy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 6:30 PM
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >THE LAW IS A CURSE BECAUSE EVERYONE, THAT'S EVERYONE, DISOBEYS IT.
> THAT'S
> > >INCLUDES DAVID MILLER. I HAVE PERSONALLY OBSERVED HIM DISOBEYING THE
LAW
> > >ON
> > >TT.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >This
> > > >passage speaks of the "curse of the law" which
> > > >is the curse that comes upon those who disobey
> > > >it (Deut. 28). This passage does NOT say that
> > > >the law is a curse.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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