Amen, Terry. Izzy
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claim the law is not a curse is to sin
Ah, I am not certain that I get your point,but Paul tells
us
that the OT has value for us all. It is all
about the Jews, but it is also about a promised
savior. If it (OT)
were not important, Matthew would not have started with
To me, every word in The Word is vitally important.
Words outside The Word are sometimes interesting,
but have no
guarantee of truth and no promise of salvation. As for the
Jews;
some of them are just Jews, but the ones who accept
Christ
are completed Jews, Christians in every sense of the word.
-------Original Message-------
Date: Tuesday,
February 11, 2003 07:58:57
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
Terry, you speak the truth. However, the OT is the history
of the Jews, not
the Gentiles. Christianity encompasses all who believe in Christ, regardless
of one's position BEFORE believing. They are two separate
groups. I
>From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
>Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:42:46 -0600
>
>All God's instructions to Christians are in the Holy Bible. If it is not
>there, I would advise you to fergedaboudit.
>
>Terry
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:08 PM
> > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to
sin
> >
> >
> > > I posted this some time ago, and thought some who have joined
the
>group
> > > since it was posted might like to ponder the implications
since the
>Law
> > has
> > > once again become a hot topic.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Original Message ---
> > >
> > > I have an interesting book called "The Seven Laws of
Noah" (second
> > edition,
> > > by Aaron Lichtenstein, The Rabbi Jacob Joseph School Press,
NY, 1981).
>The
> > > book presents ancient Talmudic evidence for a body of law that
was
> > delivered
> > > to Noah, thus predating the Mosaic law. When the Mosaic law
was
>delivered
> > to
> > > the Jews, the Noahide law remained in effect for all Gentiles,
so that
> > there
> > > were two bodies of law in effect, one for the Jews, and one
for the
> > > Gentiles.
> > >
> > > The Noahide law appears to be a subset of the 613 Mosaic laws
>recognized
> > by
> > > the Jews. If this indeed is the case, then Gentiles never were
under
> > Mosaic
> > > law, but Noahide law, and so the question would become whether
we
> > gentiles,
> > > who are Christians, are still under the Noahide law!
> > >
> > > Of course, the Old Testament never mentions the Laws of Noah
in any
>formal
> > > manner, as it does the Mosaic law, and one might expect that, since
it
>is
> > > the history of the Jews. There are other ancient laws in the
OT that
>are
> > > inferred, although not formally delivered, an example of which
can be
>seen
> > > in the fact that Cain and Abel were required to make
sacrifices. There
> > > obviously was a right way and a wrong way to do it, and
somewhere
>along
> > the
> > > line they had to be told what this was. Additionally, there
must have
>been
> > a
> > > law against murder since Cain was marked for killing Abel. It
is
>possible
> > > that the Noahide law may have been a continuation of the law
delivered
>to
> > > Cain and Abel, or possily even to Adam and Eve.
> > >
> > > The seven Noahide laws are:
> > >
> > > 1. Justice. (An imperative to pursue social justice, and a
prohibition
>of
> > > any miscarriage of justice.)
> > >
> > > 2. Blasphemy. (Prohibits a curse directed at the Supreme
Being.)
> > >
> > > 3. Idolatry. (Prohibits the worship of idols and planets.)
> > >
> > > 4. Illicit Intercourse. (Prohibits adultery, incest, sodomy,
and
> > > bestiality.)
> > >
> > > 5. Homicide. (Prohibits murder and suicide.)
> > >
> > > 6. Theft. (Prohibits a wrongful taking of another's goods.)
> > >
> > > 7. Limb of a living creature. (Prohibits the eating of animal
parts
>which
> > > were severed from a living animal.)
> > >
> > > Having enumerated the 7 laws of Noah, the author of the book
then
> > separately
> > > considers each of the seven laws, and determines which of the
613
>Mosaic
> > > laws are covered by each of the 7 Noahide laws, and determines
that 66
>of
> > > the 613 Mosaic laws are thus included in the Noahide laws. As
the
>author
> > > points out, it is much easier to be a gentile than a Jew!
> > >
> > > By the way, the book was given to me by a Jewish friend who
holds that
> > > gentiles still DO fall under the Noahide Law, while Jews fall
under
>the
> > > Mosaic law. I guess he was tired of answering all of my
questions!
> > >
> > > Perry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a
curse is to
>sin
> > > >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:51:53 -0600
> > > >
> > > >As I said, feel free to drop by any time to chew us out,
Glenn. It's
> > always
> > > >so refreshing. :-) We knew you were itching for it. Izzy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 6:30 PM
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> > > >Subject: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse
is to sin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >THE LAW IS A CURSE BECAUSE EVERYONE, THAT'S EVERYONE,
DISOBEYS IT.
> > THAT'S
> > > >INCLUDES DAVID MILLER. I HAVE PERSONALLY OBSERVED HIM
DISOBEYING THE
>LAW
> > > >ON
> > > >TT.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >This
> > > > >passage speaks of the "curse of the law"
which
> > > > >is the curse that comes upon those who disobey
> > > > >it (Deut. 28). This passage does NOT say that
> > > > >the law is a curse.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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