Hi Izzy. I was on your family website, and read your statement of faith, which, of course, is a "reprint" of that of your church. I was particulary interested in whether that statement mentioned that Christians are under the law or under grace, i.e., under the old covenant or the new covenant.

In the statement of faith, in the paragraph titled "Salvation", is the statement, "The salvation of mankind is, then, wholly a work of God’s free grace, not the result, in whole or in part of human works or goodness, and must be personally appropriated by repentance and faith." This seems to indicate that the law can't save you...only the grace of God.

Paul seems fairly certain that one is either under the law or under grace. Which are you?

Perry

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Not in the Revised Gary Edition. (RGE) In that edition, sleeping with your
daughters comes under the heading of "walking with God, and not being under
the Law". :-) Izzy

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Charles:

It was Lot, not Noah.

Terry

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> Wasn't that Lot that got drunk and slept with his daughters? Didn't Noah
> just expose his nakedness? I need a scripture reference for "when did Noah
> get drunk and sleep with his offspring " please.
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> >"..[your] carnal mind is enmity against God.."--Marlin to g
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> >ok, maybe it is or, perhaps, was; however, i doubt anyones' mind is/was
> >more or less carnal than Noah's
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> >and Noah did not gain from following laws
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> >think about it, e.G.:
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> >when did Noah get drunk and sleep with his offspring (acc to Scripture)?
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> >it wasn't _before_ the deluge from which God delivered him safely, but
> >afterwards
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> >ftr, DavidM says (that Moses wrote that) Noah sinned like that _while_ he
> >was codified in 'Noahide'--not when he wasn't
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