Perry, Obviously I am saved by the grace of God through faith in the shed Blood of Jesus Christ. Not one thing I do can erase a single sin from my life. "She who is forgiven much, loves much," and I have been forgiven of much! I never claimed to be "under the Law" as you and your itching-for-an-argument friends keep contending.
This does not mean I disregard God's Commandments just because, "God will have to forgive me no matter what I do/don't do," as so many "Christians" seem to believe today. I do think one can grieve the Holy Spirit and incur severe judgment for it. I love His Commandments. I rejoice in obeying Him. NOT because I am trying to earn my salvation, but because I am grateful that I am saved, and I LOVE HIM!!! I think a big misunderstanding is happening here because there is a distinct difference between JUSTIFICATION (which is given to us automatically when we receive Christ as Lord), and SANCTIFICATION (which is something we work on, in cooperation with God's grace, throughout our lives.) I think Jerry Bridges stated it well in "The Discipline of Grace": "Justification and sanctification are inseparable. God never gives one without the other. Both have their source in the infinite love and free grace of God. Both are accomplished by faith. In justification we rely on what Christ did FOR us. In sanctification we rely on Christ to work IN us by His Holy Spirit. I justification, as well as regeneration, God acts in alone. In sanctification He works in us BUT ELICITS OUR RESPONSE TO COOPERATE WITH HIM. .... Our part, that is, our response to the HS's work and our cooperation with Him in His work is the pursuit of holiness." People who belittle those seeking after holy obedience to God are a reproach to God's grace. I am sure that is not what those screaming "I am all grace/no law" seek to do, but that is how it comes across. By the way, I'm glad you liked the website. However my Webmaster (ie: husband) is WAY behind on updating it!!! Soon I hope to have some of my quilts on it. Izzy -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles P. Locke Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re:Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin Hi Izzy. I was on your family website, and read your statement of faith, which, of course, is a "reprint" of that of your church. I was particulary interested in whether that statement mentioned that Christians are under the law or under grace, i.e., under the old covenant or the new covenant. In the statement of faith, in the paragraph titled "Salvation", is the statement, "The salvation of mankind is, then, wholly a work of God's free grace, not the result, in whole or in part of human works or goodness, and must be personally appropriated by repentance and faith." This seems to indicate that the law can't save you...only the grace of God. Paul seems fairly certain that one is either under the law or under grace. Which are you? Perry >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Re:Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to >sin >Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 06:23:41 -0600 > >Not in the Revised Gary Edition. (RGE) In that edition, sleeping with your >daughters comes under the heading of "walking with God, and not being under >the Law". :-) Izzy > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:16 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Re:Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to >sin > >Charles: > >It was Lot, not Noah. > >Terry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:42 PM >Subject: Re:Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin > > > > Wasn't that Lot that got drunk and slept with his daughters? Didn't Noah > > just expose his nakedness? I need a scripture reference for "when did >Noah > > get drunk and sleep with his offspring " please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re:Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to >sin > > >Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:00:17 GMT > > > > > >"..[your] carnal mind is enmity against God.."--Marlin to g > > > > > >ok, maybe it is or, perhaps, was; however, i doubt anyones' mind is/was > > >more or less carnal than Noah's > > > > > >and Noah did not gain from following laws > > > > > >think about it, e.G.: > > > > > >when did Noah get drunk and sleep with his offspring (acc to >Scripture)? > > > > > >it wasn't _before_ the deluge from which God delivered him safely, but > > >afterwards > > > > > >ftr, DavidM says (that Moses wrote that) Noah sinned like that _while_ >he > > >was codified in 'Noahide'--not when he wasn't > > > > > > > > >gary ottoson * http://aa1ozg.com > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ > > >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > >Only $9.95 per month! > > >Visit www.juno.com > > >---------- > > >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > > >know how you ought to answer every man." 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