Slade wrote: > I never said speeding was the same as murder. > ... Dropping your keys, slipping when your > scoring a piece of sheet metal with a utility > knife is a mistake. No sin is involved because > no Torah commandment or infraction was committed. > Most importantly, YHVH does not view that as sin. > He never has.
You said that accidentally exceeding the speed limit by a few miles was a sin. If you do not consider speeding the same as murder, then I guess you must separate venial sin from mortal sins like the Catholics? Please explain your system of understanding sin and how it compares to the Catholic system (if you are knowledgeable about that, if not, just explain how you understand different degrees of sin). In my perspective, we should obey all traffic laws, but if someone accidentally slips over the speed limit by a couple of miles, I do not necessarily see God or man being offended by that in any way. In other words, I do not see that as a sin. If I'm riding in the car and my teenage daughter slips over the speed limit, I tell her to slow down, but I don't discipline her for such an infraction. However, if she madly were to go 100 mph down to street, I might take the car keys away from her. :-) Also, if she regularly exceeded the speed limit, then I would have a problem with that and would probably discipline her in some way. You give very good answers and you make a lot of sense. I don't think we are that far apart, but I would like to explore more the idea of what constitutes sin. In your paragraph above, you said "no sin is involved because no Torah commandment or infraction was committed." What Torah commandment was violated in accidentally exceeding the speed limit by a few mph? By the way, I think speed limits are generally posted about 15% below what is really considered to be an unsafe, because they factor in human frailty that causes people to sometimes exceed what is posted. There are also issues of dispute concerning measuring devices and actual violations. There has to be enough margin for surety that an infraction occurred. Also, I note that some of the penalties for speeding don't effect you unless you go at least 15 mph over the speed limit. So if you factor all these things in, it is difficult for me to see accidentally slipping a few miles over the speed limit as a sin. Who is harmed by it? How has love failed to be exercised? I would like to hear your comments about Paul's behavior in Acts 23. Act 23:3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law? Act 23:4 And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest? Act 23:5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people. In this passage, it appears on the surface that Paul might be saying that if he had known that the man was the high priest, then he would not have spoken as he did. I'm not sure this clarifies the situation, because how could he not have known the man was the high priest or at least some ruler of the people? In any case, I'd be interested in hearing your comments about this event, and tell me whether you think Paul sinned by calling the high priest a name and pronouncing God's judgment against him. By the way, I'm not sure about the answer to this question. I've examined it a few times, but I've never really decided on the matter. Slade wrote: > Again, read the laws regarding sacrifice in the > first chapters of Leviticus. See what it says > there regarding the type of sins that can be atoned. > repeatedly, it mentions "inadvertently," and "by > mistake." These are "mistakes" and "inadvertent" sins. I'm well aware how the sacrifices covered inadvertent sins and not intentional sins. I'm also well aware that nobody under the system of Torah ever fully kept the Torah. Nobody could be perfect under the system of Torah. Nobody could be free of sin. In the New Covenant, things are much different. No need for yearly sacrifices to remember the sins every year again and again, because salvation from sin has already taken place, and entry into the kingdom of God is already done by those who grab it by faith. So it doesn't seem accurate to compare in the way that you have the lives of the Hebrews under the system of Torah with the Spirit led life of a disciple of Christ. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
