I have figured DaveH out! With all of my questioning and analysis, here it is:
1) He has stated that he is not on TT to find the truth. He believes Protestants to not know the truth, and LDS to know the truth. To him, this places him in a superior position to Protestants.
2) He says that he is not on TT to win converts to Mormism.
3)He says he wants to "learn", but demonstrates that he wants to "argue".
4) Therefore, the only reasonable conclusion is that he likes to bash Christians. He likes to beat them up for their beliefs. His real purpose for being on TT is to increase himself and his beliefs in his own mind, while tearing down the body of Christ by beating up and belittling the beliefs of Christians.
I realized in the post below when he "let his facade down" for a moment, that he revealed his true feelings about Protestantism. What we have here is a guy comes on a group where he can hide his true intentions behind a facade of politeness, while still beating up on Protestants, AND WE FACILITATE THIS!
The only reasonable response for him is to take relative to this post is to once again put on his polite face, and tell me how very wrong I am. Beware the wolf in sheep's clothing!
And, our response to this behavior should be to turn the other cheek, love our enemy, continue to preach the gospel to him, and pray for his deliverance.
Izzy, you saw through this long before I did.
Perry
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Slithering Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:26:23 -0700
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ShieldsFamily wrote:
> Well, Dave, at least we finally learn you DO have a temper! > DAVEH:� Once again you have shown your inability to perceive truth, > Izzy.� Despite what you may think, I have NOT lost my temper.� It > simply is not in my nature to lose my temper.� But, thank you for > assuming you have provoked me.� Nothing could be further from the > truth.....which again demonstrates why I am not in TT to learn truth > from you. > ���� Perhaps you have not read my recent posts.� Or....perhaps having > read them, you failed to understand them.� I'll give you the benefit > of the doubt and explain why I am posting as I have to you and Perry.� > DavidM suggested that in order to make some (you, Perry, g and perhaps > others) more comfortable with my LDS biased presence in TT, I need to > change the way I post my responses to you folks.� I perceived he > wanted me to dull the polish so to speak, and eliminate the respectful > language in order not to 'offend' you folks. > > So.....tonight I've endeavored to change the wording of my posts to > make you folks happier.� Is it working??? > > Unfortunately, it is depressing me.� I feel not only very extrememly > uncomfortable speaking like this, but I also > feel.......well.......rather slimey........and, > dirty.......and.......ahhhhhh.......welllllll.....like a Protestant.� > I would be embarressed if another Mormon were to read my posts today > and think I'm really like this.� If my Mom were to read this, she'd > probably want to wash my typing fingers with lye soap!� IMHO, what > I've posted today is not proper Christian behavior.� Even though it > may be acceptable behavior on TT, I regret participating in it as I > have today, and hope other TTers will forgive me for bowing to the > whims of others. > > Ya know Iz, I didn't join TT to become like you Protestant folks.� And > now that I've taken a step closer, I feel ashamed to think I've jumped > down to this level of degradation.�� Do you think I feel some > satisfaction in this.....Let me tell you that I don't.� I'd much > prefer to be my real self than some loathsome form of TT creature that > was created to satisfy others' baser desires.� Do you feel better now > that I'm becoming more like you, Izzy? > > I don't think the Spirit of the Lord is with me when I feel like > this.� Nor do I think the Lord wants me to be like this.� So I have to > ask myself if I want to continue in this manner, or if I should return > to my old TT self.� Any thoughts from you, Izzy?� (Or from other > TTers???)� I figured I'd try it for a day or so and see what it's > like.� I'm curious to see how I'll feel about it tomorrow though.� I'd > like to revert back, but if you folks want me to continue posting like > this, I'll probably give it a few more days to see if I can get used > to it. > > Note to DavidM......Is this really the way you want me to present > myself on TT??? > > (However, I forgive you if you forgive me for provoking you.) But I > guess we will continue to disagree about whether mormons know the real > Jesus, or a figment of J.Smith?s imagination. Izzy� > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of�Dave > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 10:33 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Slithering > > ShieldsFamily wrote:� > >> Oh, thanks Dave H, for making it perfectly clear?NOW I GET IT! >> DAVEH:� I've got to ask, Izzy.....Why did you not understand this >> from the first time I said I wasn't in TT to learn truth?� Did you >> honestly think I didn't mean what I said?� I really am tiring of >> others like yourself putting words in my mouth.� You don't have to >> believe what I say, but please stop claiming I said things I didn't >> say......OK? >> You are NOT trying to learn truth! >> DAVEH:� Not from you! >> Duh! >> DAVEH:� Yeah....Duh!� You can't even quote me correctly, so why >> should I think you have the truth? >> This explains everything! >> DAVEH:� Yes it does, Izzy.� You your mind is made up, so it doesn't >> matter what I say, you are going to interpret it incorrectly.� I >> believe you've done the same thing with your understanding of the >> Bible.� It gives a message, and due to your Protestant biases you've >> interpreted it incorrectly.� So.....why should I believe what you >> think to be "truth"! >> (Excuse me for thinking otherwise!) >> DAVEH:� There is no excuse for deliberately misleading people about >> what I've said, and about what I believe, Izzy.� If you are in TT to >> spread mistruths, then you are a part of the problem.� And what is >> that 'problem'?......the perception that TT is a well of truth.� How >> can that be when you have corrupted it so!� No Izzy, if >> anything.....it seems you've poisoned the well with your inaccurate >> portrayal of me. >> Izzy >> ShieldsFamily wrote:� >> >> > Personally, I hope for everyone--regardless of viewpoint--on TT to >> > be comfortable discussing issues.� That's why I get a bit bent out >> > of shape with hateful, caustic, castigating people--I don't want >> > them chasing people off with their "casting you into hell" kind of >> > talk.� I think that is entirely inappropriate and unloving. >> > However, my issue with Dave H is much like what others have clearly >> > expressed. Behind his very nice guy veneer he seems demonically >> > motivated.� He claims to want to learn truth with such sincerity,� >> > DAVEH:� Therein lies the problem, Izzy.� I have refuted this >> > assumption many times before, but it doesn't seem to matter how >> > often I say it, you and others refuse to believe me.� I will say it >> > once more to try to dispel this myth.....I am not in TT to "learn >> > truth".� I do not know why you think I said such, as I did not to >> > the best of my memory.� Now I've been accused by DavidM of >> > 'harping' on the reason for my being here.� But in my defense, I >> > have pretty much explained my reason for being here to clear up >> > these misconceptions that other TTers such as yourself have about >> > my presense here.� For some illogical reason, despite my saying it >> > to the contrary......a lot of TTers think that I am here for >> > reasons other than I've stated.� Rather than simply accept my >> > stated reason, I've very curious as to why you and others don't >> > want to put words in my mouth that I have not spoken?� Is it a >> > reflection of Protestantism, that demands some kind of conformity?� >> > Or....is it an expectation that you have about the TT Forum?� >> > Or......are you assuming something about me because of the way I >> > ask questions?� As I've resently mentioned to DavidM.....this >> > situation perplexes me, and I'm interested in your thoughts as to >> > why we have this communication breakdown. >> > but whenever truth is offered up to him on a silver platter in an >> > irrefutable manner he changes the subject and asks a question a bit >> > off the mark just to get out from under the point (which was the >> > truth he pretended to want to know!) I have watched him do this for >> > YEARS, and it is VERY PREDICTABLE.� This is just like trying to >> > skewer a very wiggly earthworm on a piece of wet glass with a >> > toothpick.� No matter how you poke the thing it manages to slither >> > out from under your point.� I really dislike�slithering.... >> > Izzy >> > -----Original Message-----� >> > I think your harping on being� >> > >> > here to learn what Protestants believe has misled many as well.� >> > >> > DaveH wrote:� >> > >> > > I suppose my comfort could cause the discomfort� >> > >> > > of others.� I'll have to ponder that.� >> > >> > Yes, this is very true!� I have received private emails from >> > people� >> > >> > telling me that something is spiritually wrong if a Mormon feel� >> > >> > comfortable to be on the list.� They view this as something >> > faulty.� >> > >> > Interestingly, you seem to be the only Mormon that sticks around >> > about� >> > >> > like I'm the only Street Preacher who sticks around. LOL.� >> > Nevertheless,� >> > >> > I do think you are onto something here with the idea that your >> > comfort� >> > >> > here is discomforting to others.� Maybe some others on the list >> > would� >> > >> > like to comment on this idea.� >> -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE. �
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