� � > � > Dave, > > I am very relieved to learn that I did not push you over the edge with > my > poor attempt at humor!� I was shocked and alarmed by your response, but > wanted you to know that I still cared about you, regardless of your > "more > honest" response.� If this helped you feel that you learned something > about > us, good for you. I'm just glad you aren't coming unraveled. However, > once > again, you leave me feeling manipulated.
DAVEH:� That's the most interesting part of this whole experience, Izzy.� When I manipulate you the most, you feel most comfortable.� When I try to be myself (which is not to say I don't manipulate to some extent then either), then you feel most manipulated. ��� And no......don't worry about pushing me over the edge, Izzy.� I'm a pretty tough old Mormon boy.� And......yes, I did learn a lot about you and a few others from this.� If I had guessed beforehand what the outcome would have been, I would have been wrong.�� Hmmmmm........that would have been a first for me on TT, eh!�� <VBG> > (I can deal with it.) DAVEH: Good......I'd not like to think I'm responsible for pushing YOU over the edge!�� :-) > � > > Izzy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:58 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Slithering > > DAVEH:� Note to ALL TTers------The game is over.� I am reverting back to > my > true/old self, whether you like it or not.� Before I respond to DavidM's > below comments, let me explain.� I thought I had the 'green light' from > DavidM to give other TTers a taste > > of their own medicine, which I did yesterday.� And.....I've got to > admit, it > was rather fun.� But it wasn't 'me'.� I was hoping TTers would realize > what > I was doing and ask me to go back to being the polite guy I was before. > But > I didn't get that > reaction at all.� In fact, Izzy seemed rather comfortable with my new > testy > personality.� Perry thinks he's got a new insight as to what makes me > tick. > And much to my horror......DavidM seems to have swallowed it hook, line > and > (as I said > before).....stinker!�� <VBG> > > ��� Now let me say that much of what I said was true to a certain > extent, > but I tried to toss in a bunch of humor so that it would be obvious that > I > wasn't all that serious.� Yeah.....I know.....I didn't use any smilies, > as I > didn't want to make it too > obvious that I was playing a game.� Unfortunately, my ruse was taken far > too > seriously, and nobody (that responded) seems to have seen the humor or > the > connection to what I was trying to demonstrate. > > ��� Now, I admit to being naive, but I don't think my gullibility level > comes close to approaching those who responded to my posts today.� My > only > regret is that a few more (especially Brother Glenn & g) didn't weigh in > too.� But, if I were guessing, I > doubt that BG would have been sucked in.�� I'm not sure about g > though....care to admit what you were thinking, g? > > ��� While I doubt that anybody is going to ask, I'm going to offer my > thoughts about this anyway.� It seems to me that some TTers take TT way > to > seriously.� If I can offend you by being polite, and not offend you by > being > expressly obnoxious.....well, I > think there is some humor in that.....but I doubt many here will see > it. > I'd like to think that is not a result of Protestant imprinting, but I'm > not > sure.� I'll have to ponder it for awhile.� So.....my unasked for advice > for > TTers:� Lighten up a bit. > > ��� I've probably not made any friends with this stunt.� But I suppose I > don't have that many in TT anyway.� However, I'll ask your forgiveness > if my > actions yesterday offended you.� I'd like to think this has been a > learning > experience for all of > us......as it certainly has for me.� If any of you want to unload your > anger > on me, go ahead......I'll restrain my reply unless you specifically ask > me a > question. > > ��� I'll now briefly respond to some of DavidM's comments below...... > > David Miller wrote: > > > DaveH wrote: > > > ... tonight I've endeavored to change the wording > > > of my posts to make you folks happier.� Is it working??? > > > Unfortunately, it is depressing me.� I feel not only very > > > extrememly uncomfortable speaking like this, but I also > > > feel...well...rather slimey...and, dirty... > > > and...ahhhhhh...welllllll...like a Protestant. > > > I would be embarrassed if another Mormon were to read my > > > posts today and think I'm really like this. > > > > Dave, in case it is any consolation to you, I want you to know that I > > understood what you were doing and did not think you were losing your > > temper. > > DAVEH:� I am glad to hear that.� I hoped that would show through, but > was > rather surprised that Izzy initially thought I was angry.� Anybody who > knows > me, knows that I do not anger easily.� FWIW......the only time I can > remember being angry since I was an > > adolescent was probably 30 years ago or so while I was dreaming.� What I > did > in that dream out of anger (killing somebody) made me never want to > experience that feeling again.� So.....I just don't allow myself to get > angry. > > > To tell you the truth, I found your candor rather refreshing. > > DAVEH:� LOL.......As you now know it was all an act, laced with truth. > But > I've got to ask, DavidM......would you want me to continue in that > manner in > the future?� (I won't.....but I'd like to know which you prefer.) > > > You kind of switched over so completely all of a sudden that you > looked > > like a completely different person.� In your effort to do this, I > think > > you might have crossed the line some in feeding perhaps some carnal > > feelings, and that might account some for the dirty feelings you have. > > DAVEH:� Now the truth is that I do/did feel uncomfortable talking like > that.� But when done as an 'act', it is easy.� I've never been > theatrically > inclined, as my mouth works faster than my brains.� I have to have time > to > think things out.� Putting them > on paper (or computer) gives me time to be a little creative, which is > very > difficult for me to do in real time. > > ��� I thought my comment about my Mom washing my fingers with lye soap > would > tip you off to the humor in this.� And of course, I just couldn't keep > from > posting that it made me feel like a........Protestant.� I figured that'd > really give the game away.� I > > imagine what makes it sound so convincing to TTers is that it might > sound > like there was a ring of truth to it, eh!� Well, I'm beginning to > believe > (falsely, I hope) that Protestants are comfortable with the thinking and > language I was using.� If I were > to talk like that in my LDS environment, I'd end up without any friends > at > all.� (And it is true......I would be embarrassed if another LDS person > thought I really meant all I said.)� Yet I'm beginning to think that in > the > Protestant realm I would fit > right in.�� Any truth to that, DavidM? > > > But there is something even more at play here, and this is the concept > > of REPUTATION. > > DAVEH:� Yes.....there is a lot to be said about reputation.....I just > hope I > haven't ruined mine yesterday!� :-) > > >� I don't think you are going to hear this too easily, but > > your real problem with the open honest approach is your reputation. > > DAVEH:� You are losing me on that...... > > > Being open makes us vulnerable, > > DAVEH:� Agreed.� And I feel pretty vulnerable right now! > > > and it exposes our inner heart in a way > > that is kind of like taking the lid off a garbage can.� Our first > > instinct is to get that lid back on that garbage can as quickly as > > possible. > > > > What you should be doing is looking to the Lord to so purify your > heart, > > that when you are open and candid about what you think, purity comes > out > > rather than defiled thought. > > > > What you said to Izzy showed that your heart truly did not think too > > well of her. > > DAVEH:� I was trying to reflect back to her that which she projected to > me > in previous posts.� From her reply, I believe I succeeded.� I've got the > feeling that previous to yesterday, Izzy did not respect anything about > me. > Yet I sensed a tone of respect > > when I treated her in a way she felt comfortable treating me.� Now don't > get > me wrong......I'm not a shrink and shouldn't be discussing a 3rd person > in > open forum.....but I hope Izzy doesn't mind all of us learning from what > happened yesterday. > > ��� Maybe that's why as a Mormon, I'm not well accepted here.� I'm a > round > peg in the TT game board of square holes.� Once I 'square up' my image, > I > can then fit into a square hole and Izzy feels comfortable with that. > Until > then, both Izzy and Perry > didn't know how to categorize me.� I'm like a loose cannon bouncing > around, > likely to hurt somebody.� I don't know.......I just hope somebody > doesn't > turn me in for practicing psychiatry without a license!� <VBG> > > >� If that is a problem (and I think it is), the solution is > > not to cover it up with nice words, but to look to the Lord to help > make > > your heart right and balanced.� Do you understand what I am saying? > > DAVEH:� NO!�� You're all screwed up on this, DavidM!�� You were sucked > in > too.�� :-) > > ��� Yes, I know.....you are trying to be serious, and I'm making light > of > it.� Sorry! > > >� As > > long as you polish the outside, the inside is still defiled. > > DAVEH:� FTR.......I have not changed.� I'm still the same polite Mormon > Boy > I was 2 days ago, except I probably have no friends left on TT now! > And.....I don't care if you or anybody else is offended by my polite > nature.....I'm reverting back to my > former (real) self, so to speak. > > > If what > > comes out of the heart is not pure and holy, then seek for the > solution > > to that root problem through Jesus Christ rather than adding the > polish > > to the outside man in the hope that the inside will never be seen for > > what it is. > > > > I am encouraged that you have taken this step.� I applaud you for it. > > It is great to see someone willing to change, willing to take a step, > > even if they are unsure about where it will lead them.� I encourage > you > > to continue, not pull back, but let God work at your very heart, > causing > > your speech to become pure from the root and not simply as a polished > > exterior.� You are on your way, but don't be too surprised if being > > honest in this way leads to an illumination of your soul that you > never > > expected.� What you previously thought were paths to truth may begin > to > > fade as you walk this new path. > > DAVEH:� I appreciate your kind and serious thoughts, but as you > know....this > situation got way out of hand.� I did not mean to hurt or offend you or > anybody else, DavidM.� In retrospect, perhaps I should not have let you > influence me to the point of > playing this game.� But.....right or wrong, I did it and find the > results > interesting. > > ��� FWIW.......I wish Blaine had been here for all this, as I think he > would > have laughed himself silly as I was doing it.� I did copy a few posts to > him, but not enough to get the full picture.�� I'll certainly copy this > one > so he'll understand it a bit > > better now.� I wish he'd return, but I think he found the environment > here > to be a bit too spiteful for his liking. > > > Peace be with you. > > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... 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