Kevin Deegan wrote:
So Mormons teach Christian virtue?So Dave you want to be excepted as a Christian?DAVEH: I don't recall saying such, but if I were to comment on some of the antics I've seen in TT and the despicable displays of unChristian behavior that apparently takes place in SLC at Conference time by those antagonistic to the Church......well, perhaps "perfect pack of nonsense" pretty well describes that form of "Christianity".
DAVEH: No thank you......I don't want to be "excepted" from Christianity. I do like being accepted as a Christian though. I just don't care to be "excepted" (which seemingly infers to be ex'd from Christianity)....if you know what I mean! <G>FWIW....... I consider Mormonism to be a Christian religion, but if you (or others) don't, it mattereth little to me. I just am curious as to why (from a logical perspective) you would think we are not.
If I accept you as a christian will you accept me as a Mormon in good standing?DAVEH: Do you want to be? If not, then your point is meaningless.I don't get it you guys really really want to be considered christians.
DAVEH: I think you are overestimating what we want. I am just amused that you fear us being Christian, as if you have a corner on that market too.
But on the other hand you attack christianity.That does not compute! Is this what you think of us Christians on TT? �We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense....
It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; it is as corrupt as hell; and the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work that the Christianity of the nineteenth century�. John Taylor, (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, pag. 167). �The Christian world, so called, are heathens as to their knowledge of the salvation of God�. Brigham Young (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, pag. 171). "With regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world�.DAVEH: Hmmmmm........Perhaps BY saw such protesters in his day, whether in vision or not, I don't know. But his comment implies one way or the other.
Brigham Young (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, pag. 199). �My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join....I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right--and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight; that those professors were all corrupt;...�DAVEH: Note......JS didn't claim 'he' said such......he claimed 'He' said such.
The Prophet Joseph Smith�s Testimony, pp. 3, 4 �Hence, true and acceptable Christianity is found among the saints who have the fulness of the gospel, and a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom.DAVEH: I can't disagree with what he may have envisioned taking place by purported Christians being obnoxious in their displays of unChristian behavior.
In these circles it is believed and taught that Christianity had its beginning with the mortal ministry of our Lord. Actually, of course, Adam was the first ChristianDAVEH: I agree.
,...�Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pag. 132DAVEH: Well Perry. I don't quite know what you expect me to say, but from what I've observed of 'modern Christianity', how can I disagree with anything you've quoted above? No Perry, I don't "attack christianity", but rather do not find other's perceptions of "christianity" to be endearing when it is presented as I've seen here on TT.
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