Blaine, I did find that post of our meeting each other at your temple, at
the present time I have well over 600 E-mails that I have not even opened,
with several thousand open and working on. So I did not know we met and I
do remember that meeting, so I will respond to your post now.
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Blaine: The meeting took place on the North side of Temple Square in Salt
Lake City during a conference in 2001 or 2002--not sure of the date. The
Conference Center was across the street. You and Dean (Carroll) were
together. I later heard of the underwear waving, but you were apparently
not into that at the time we met.
Ruben:
Maybe what you heard and what you saw were two completely different
situations, because as I have said we use your undergarments only to get the
Mormons attention from their sleep walking status. What do you think, that
we waved those foolish garments all day? I will try to explain this again
and just for you I will type ssslowlyyyy so I do not have to repeat myself
again. During conference we have thousands of Mormons walking around and to
ZAP them out of their stupor, we SHOCKED them every once in a while by
waving those silly garments they trust in. Once we get their attention we
break down into great conversations that can last for hours or the next day.
Those garments that I wave, I did have with me but I was talking to you. Do
you think I would talk to a small group of Mormons AND WAVE THOSE GARMENTS?
I don't know what you heard but maybe you should come out a see for yourself
rather than going on hearsay.
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Blaine: I talked to both of you for about twenty minutes. We talked about
the Salt Lake Temple and you wanted to know why you could not go into it to
preach. I had no idea how to get it across to you why you couldn't do that.
I may have given a few superficial reasons why you could not go into the
temple, in fact I think I did make some effort to help you understand
Ruben:
Hey Dean (he don't know us very well.do he?). If you think for one second
that we did not understand why we could not get into your Temple.well how
can I put this.you are nuts.we were toying with you like catnip. I cannot
believe you did not see this.VERILY.these people are in a daze. You were
played Blaine.THERE.. I said it.I feel so much better.
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Blaine: but generally, my impression was that for you to even ask showed an
almost total lack of comprehension of what your question entailed. It was
like asking a Jew why you could not go into the Holy of Holies, and pray on
the Ark of the Covenant. (:>) I knew then that your understanding of
Mormonism was very limited.
Ruben:
Well, and now the rest of the story.. both Dean and I were absolutely
shocked over the lack of Biblical knowledge we heard for you; maybe shocked
would be an understatement. Maybe traumatized for the lack of Bible with
someone like you. In fact Blaine you confirmed why we were there.TO PREACH
THE GOD OF THE BIBLE.. because you Mormon really lack this. I would like to
have your last name Blaine, so in April when asked by other Mormons, "Why
are you here?" I can tell them Blaine (insert last name here???) had us come
here.see or better yet talk to him. Last name please.
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Blaine: I was not aware you preached to so many different groups, that much
is granted, but that fact alone lends all the more credibility to my
original impression that you have a shallow understanding regards the Mormon
Church's workings/doctrines.
Ruben:
Of course not. Not with that Woe is me, I'm being persecuted mentality you
seem to have, you are almost as bad as a Jewish mother. When Jesus said to
"Go into all the world and preach to every creature".the Mormons are
included and if you would stand with us for one day, maybe you could see
some creatures going into your conference.
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Blaine: My thinking is, if you go to so many groups, how can you have much
depth of understanding of the doctrines and/or workings of any one of them?
More than likely, you have a superficial, nodding knowledge of what they
stand for, and that's about it.
Ruben:
I know more than enough to preach/warn almost any odd group, besides if we
get in a pinch we can pull out of the bullpen our man.KEVIN.he is our clean
up hitter. One does not need to understand everything.just the
TRUTH/BIBLE/GODS WORD.all others are imposters. When dealing with
counterfeit money, one does not need to understand all about bad money, just
know what the real dollar is. When knowing what the real bill is, with just
a look, smell, touch, rub, one can indeed know the fraud. I know the God of
the Bible and I know imitation and Blaine you hold a wooden nickel.
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Blaine: One more thing, who set you to be their (our) judge anyway? It is a
high position to be a judge. "Judge not lest you be judged." We have our
judges-- Bishops, Stake Presidents, etc. But who are you?
Ruben:
Your judges, Bishops and even presidents are constantly changing as the
doctrine of your Church. Whereas the Bible is Rock-solid and we all know
when we did we get judged by the Bible, right? We do not get judged by the
doctrine of the Mormons, or the ever changing pope, and being politically
correct will not bail you out.because Gods Word, the Holy Bible is the
rule.. right?
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Blaine: Neither Smith nor Young are here today, having served the Lord in
their own times and callings.
Ruben:
Ohhh how right you are, both Smith & Young are serving time even now.would
you like to join them and see where their calling is?
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Blaine: However, modern prophets are here, and you dishonor them as the
Pharisees did Christ. But as for the teachings of these men (Smith and
Young), the Church publications are full of them--lesson manuals, magazines,
etc. Can you quote any of the thirteen articles of Faith, which Joseph
Smith wrote to outline our basic beliefs? I can quote all of them, having
learned them when I was a boy.
Ruben:
As we established, both you and I are going to be judged by the Bible. So
knowing this can you give me examples where any New Testament writer
encouraged wear your under garments? Or God was once like you and I.just
for starters? So you knew the basic beliefs since you were a child, what's
the difference between you and the Catholic who prays to Mary and other dead
saints.because that's what he did since he was a youth? If you wish to stay
in this "moose lodge" of a church that is your call.BUT UNDERSTAND ONE
THING.. IT IS THE BIBLE THAT WE WILL ALL BE JUDGED BY.young, old, rich,
poor, sodomite, mormon, everyone.agreed? One last point; don't get me
started on the number thirteen..
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Blaine: The Temple proper does not need such a sign ("No Soliciting"),
because it is private property. The problem is you guys use/abuse your
god-given freedom of speech, and public property, to impose your own
beliefs on us when we do not invite you to do so. Do you appreciate it when
someone comes along and loudly tries to cram their religion down your
throat? I doubt you ever had that experience in the first place, since
noone I know would do that except a few like yourself. You presume too
much.
Ruben:
Well if that is not the pot calling the kettle BLACK.. and pleasssse don't
make me bring up that point about your black people/white skin/temple stuff.
Blaine.once again, you maketh me to laugh.does not the Mormon Church send
out missionaries to our doors? I understand our rights more than you will
ever know, with a cluster of lawyers that would make a small corporation
envious. And I think you should understand this, if we had rights or not.I
WOULD STILL DO THIS. I will go to jail for what I believe, I will get
punched for what I believe, I will DIE for what I believe, this is not a
Sunday experience with me. I believe and would gladly die if needed, but
would only regret it could only be once.
Ruben Israel
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