Judy: Yes Dean I know what rebuke is and to whom much
is given much is required (from God) this is why the Church
is the one supposed to shape us and the Church should
receive the rebukes spoken of in scripture, they are God's
covenant ppl now, before it was Israel.
Dean writes:
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Rebuke is telling someone to "stop sin"-"This is wrong" Shame on you"...etc The Bible teaches us that if we can get a person to stop even one sin a multitude of our sins will be forgiven-and this is for all people as sin puts one into hell.
Judy: How can you care for them and show them the love
of Christ without walking in love toward them?
Judy: If they were in the Church you could turn them over to
Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that their soul might be
saved in the Day of the Lord. However, they are already under
a curse so this is not necessary. they were always workers of
iniquity. I don't see where the separation comes but oh well!!
Dean writes:
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Let see now-if we are of the church and sin we get to be rewarded by going to heaven but it we are lost and sin we go to hell-and you actually believe this?Have you read Rev.3:1-6. That is speaking to a church.
Dean: but Gods love is on the other side of the wall of sin
that they put there-Repent of the sin and came and get
the love is our message-
Judy: Jesus was a lamb slain before the foundation of the
world. He died for us while we were yet sinners, who are
we to discriminate toward them now? Pharisees?
Judy: Because Elymas was a sorceror and he was attempting
to turn the Pro-consul (who had sent for Barnabus and Paul)
from the truth in the middle of Paul sharing with him. Note:
Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit and pronounced this
man blind for a season ... and this sign helped to convince
the Pro-consul. But this was not run-of-the-mill. Paul also
rebuked and cast the spirit of divination out of the girl who
followed them speaking the truth but in a wrong spirit for
three days.
@ But where did he love them?Are you saying rebuke is love?
Judy: Why do you think he didn't love the sorceror, he
just did what the Holy Spirit empowered him to do at that
time to protect the ministry of the Word.
@ Do not we believers also have the Holy Spirit living in us?Should I not then rebuke to protect the word or those whom false teachers would hinder?
Dean: Pharisees were hypocrites-they said one thing and
done another-I am not. What I preach I live-the
commandment of God.
Judy: Except you are not willing to love the unlovable.
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I have shown more love to more people then you could count-but I will not love those God hates. Could you love a person that just got thru hitting your wife-I still told them of Jesus-You shout love! love! -and while those you are suppose to love go to hell all around you, you do nothing and tell us not too also-I doubt your love. Whom is the Pharisee here?
Dean: The Bible teaches that God cannot bare to look
upon sin-and these people are covered with this thing
God hates-
Judy: God can look upon sin and He does... we can read
in scripture where the angels came before him and who
was with them? Satan the epitomy of sin (Job 1:6) and
that's not all, God speaks to him in Vs.8.
%Then why does he equate sin as vomit 2 peter 2: 22?
How does dog vomit look to you? Can you eat while looking
at it-I can't stand the sight of it-neither can God. Hab1:13..and
canst not look on iniquity.
Judy: This is a person who has once known the Lord Jesus
Christ and is once again entangled in sin Dean .. these ppl
are likened to a dog (someone outside the covenant) who
has returned to it's vomit. Hab 1:13 is describing how the
powers of darkness are appointed for judgment. Sure they
do it but the Lord is the one who calls the shots. How can
He know what is going on if He can't look at or see it? We
are double minded, we say God is sovereign and knows
everything and at the same time can't look at everything.
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He didn't refer to the person as vomit-he refereed to the sin as vomit.
Dean: He is offering them a way to remove that covering -
by washing in the blood of Christ - He is not offering to
accept them just as they are. The love of God is there but
not upon the sinner.
Judy: The love of God has been on the sinner since the
foundation of the world Dean, you and I included.
% Not all sinners-as we repented-John3:36... but the
wrath of God abides on him. Romans 1:18, Romans 2:5,
Eph5:6,Col 3:6..etc.
Judy: Yes we did but God loved us from the foundation
of the world - while we were yet sinners.
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Because he knew who would accept the covenant from the foundation-He also knew who would reject that same covenant. Judy do you see God carrying a person over to the pit of hell and saying "I love you" just before he drops them into that pit?Would you do this to a child you loved?Actually God said he would grind then to power and rip them apart as he almost did to those at Mount Sinai-but Jesus stopped him by pleading with Moses not to let them come near the mount.
% Jesus Himself quoted the OT and because of that so can I
-God gave us 66 books of the Bible not only the new Testament.
Does it not say that the law is our school master-to bring us to
Christ. Esau was a worker of iniquity and they are still around
and God hates them-but you would say God loves them. But
if you prefer Esau in the NT try Romans 9:13, Hebrews 12:16
-same thing.
Judy: Esau sold his spiritual birthright for a morsel of food and
Jesus uses him as an object lesson so that we do not do likewise.
Jesus was born under the law and His earthly ministry was to a
people who were still living under the law. We are born again
into His Church, so the situation is a little different. Unbelievers
out there can not be likened to Esau, it would have to be a
believer who turns back, like in 2 Peter 2:22.
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Esau was a fornicator and a worker of Iniquity-where did it say he received God's word-Do you always adjust the Bible to suit you thoughts-would it not be better to adjust yourself to the Bible
%I take the full message out on the street-the love of God
is preached as is the wrath of God-what I preach depends
on God and the crowd I am preaching too. Judy answer me this:
Can a Sodomite claim the status of being a Christian?
Judy: No because by their lifestyle they deny Him.
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What is in their life style that denies God Judy-what are they doing wrong?
Grace, mercy, and peace, Judy
% some people's peace should be taken away.
Judy: Little bit vindictive there Dean? Careful, that's a work
of the flesh, it's not a fruit of the Spirit
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But it's true-the peace of the ungodly should be shattered by the words of Christ-not vindictive Judy-truth-which is the work of the spirit.
