Dean writes12/17 : Judy who is this verse speaking too?
Hint. One another, My disciples-Could it be talking to
the brethren?
Judy: Yes Dean, it's talking to brethren, disciples of Jesus,
his friends.
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Yet you use it to describe out interaction with those we are suppose to rebuke, and call for their repentance for salvation in Christ Jesus. "A new commandment I give unto you,that you love one another".Why didn't he say A new commandment I give unto you that you love everybody. That is what you are saying-and to make it worse- you call for rebuke only for those of the church. Judy do you know what rebuke is?
Dean: I am Commanded to love a believer in Christ -
not those of the world nor wordily things-but I am told to
care for them and help them by showing them the love
of Christ
Judy: How can you care for them and show them the love
of Christ without walking in love toward them?
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In New Orleans at Southern we have sodomites-with aids- come up to us and spit in our eyes-aiming at the tear glands to infect us. This year I had my nose busted and left blood on Bourbon street, shoved,cursed,surrounded by sodomites while they threw thing at us-while at the same time being harnessed by the police-and losing some of our brethren to jail.Last year was the same-yet we go back each year-hoping some will get salvation-and some do. I don't know if you would describe this as love-but I do. When we met Blaine at the Mormon Temple he was a lost man needing salvation-so we spoke gentle to him-but now he is moving into the area of "worker of iniquity" but trying to portray Christ as a sinner-Our relationship with him will change if he continues in this corruption because then he will be working at trying to sin. DaveH did this long ago. We rebuke those types strongly for Gods use for their destruction.
Dean: but Gods love is on the other side of the wall of sin
that they put there-Repent of the sin and came and get
the love is our message-
Judy: Jesus was a lamb slain before the foundation of the
world. He died for us while we were yet sinners, who are
we to discriminate toward them now? Pharisees?
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Judy you have a way of lumping all in one large group and treating them all the same-God never did this-Jesus never did this- Paul never did this. Tell me-Why did Paul rebuke Bar-jesus in Acts 13:10. According to your belief he should have loved him but he didn't why? Pharisees were hypocrites-they said one thing and done another-I am not. What I preach I live-the commandment of God.
Dean: The Bible teaches that God cannot bare to look
upon sin-and these people are covered with this thing
God hates-
Judy: God can look upon sin and He does... we can read
in scripture where the angels came before him and who
was with them? Satan the epitomy of sin (Job 1:6) and
that's not all, God speaks to him in Vs.8.
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Then why does he equate sin as vomit 2 peter 2: 22? How does dog vomit look to you? Can you eat while looking at it-I can't stand the sight of it-neither can God. Hab1:13..and canst not look on iniquity.
Dean: He is offering them a way to remove that covering -
by washing in the blood of Christ - He is not offering to
accept them just as they are. The love of God is there but
not upon the sinner.
Judy: The love of God has been on the sinner since the
foundation of the world Dean, you and I included.
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Not all sinners-as we repented-John3:36... but the wrath of God abides on him. Romans 1:18, Romans 2:5, Eph5:6,Col 3:6..etc.
Dean: With Mal.1:2 in mind could I walk up to Esau and
say "God loves you"?
Judy: Why do you drag all of this stuff out of the OT out of
context and try to make it apply to us. Jesus gave us a New
Covenant with better promises and a 'new and living way'
to walk in. Neither of us need concern ourselves with
going up to Esau because he is long gone, he is given as
an example for us not to follow....
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Jesus Himself quoted the OT and because of that so can I -God gave us 66 books of the Bible not only the new Testament. Does it not say that the law is our school master-to bring us to Christ. Esau was a worker of iniquity and they are still around and God hates them-but you would say God loves them. But if you prefer Esau in the NT try Romans 9:13, Hebrews 12:16-same thing.
Dean: How about those in Romans 1:28 ? Could you tell
those that God loves them?
Judy: I believe Romans 1:18-32 to be a description of those
who were destroyed by the flood in the days of Noah, and
yes things will be this bad again before the second coming
of Christ. However God did love everyone living right now,
today, enough for His son to die so that they can be
redeemed.
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But the passage of Romans1:18 says For the wrath of God is revealed... It didn't say that the wrath was revealed in Noah's days. Consider v.16-17 it speaks of the gospel of Christ.
Dean: Judy God hates the worker of iniquity-accept this-
and quit telling them God that loves them.
Judy: I hope you don't go out on the street with this
message of hate Dean.
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I take the full message out on the street-the love of God is preached as is the wrath of God-what I preach depends on God and the crowd I am preaching too. Judy answer me this: Can a Sodomite claim the status of being a Christian?
Grace, mercy, and peace,
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Judy
