[TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

[jandgtaylor1]

From: "irebukeu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy, if I may let me try to expound and clarify on this public rebuking while preaching because I suspect you might have a chip on your shoulder regarding it and it might help others too.     **Thank you for your intent but what would make you think I have a chip on my shoulder Reuben?  Just because I'm talking about LOVE?   Rebuking someone is something that can be found from Genesis to Revelation and all in between.  Just study what these men preached   **I've studied for years and have been seriously looking tonight and I can't find what I am reading on TT; yes the prophets rebuked when Israel went off into apostasy but I don't see this pattern in the NT   When Jesus preached his messaged was never "God loves you and so do I," the famous John 3:16 was said to one man at night (Jn.3:2) and never repeated again in neither the Gospels nor the Book of Acts.     **So Jesus words were exclusively for Nicodemus when he said "For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved? He that believeth on him is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten son of God. And this is the condemnation that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil?" (Jn 3:17-19)   Sorry that is just the fact and I hope this is not strange fire or new wine for you. In the Bible Jesus first message was "REPENT"(Mt.4:17)..   **Only a half truth Ruben. Shame on you.  Jesus first message gave the reason to repent, it was "Repent for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand"  I appreciate your list of some of the things Jesus did during His earthly ministry but I am interested in this ministry of rebuking since this is what we have been discussing and my own list follows:   Jesus rebuked The wind and the sea (Matt 8:26; Mk 4:39; Lk 8:24). Jesus rebuked Satan (Matt 17:18; Mk 1:25;Lk 4:35). Jesus rebuked Peter when he let Satan use him and spoke for Satan (Mk 8:33). Jesus rebuked the foul spirit in a boy having convulsions (Mk 9:25). Jesus rebuked a fever and it left (Lk 4:39). Jesus rebuked an unclean spirit (Lk 9:42). Jesus rebuked his disciples for wanting to call down fire on the Samaritans (Lk 9:55).  His disciples tried doing some rebuking when some blind men cried out to Jesus for mercy (Matt 20:31, Lk 18:39), and people brought children to Him (Mk 10:13; Lk 18:15) but Jesus overrode their rebukes.   Ruben: To think that Jesus walked around with a smile and said nice things to people would be ludicrous, yet this is what most people believed.  Why would the kill someone who wanted to rub toes singing kumbayah?    **The apostle Peter who was a first hand witness to the ministry of Jesus said that "God anointed Him (Jesus of Nazareth) with the Holy Spirit and power and he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed of the devil for God was with Him - and we are His witnesses" (Acts 10:38)   Jesus told his disciples "The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I TESTIFY OF IT, THAT THE WORKS THEREOF ARE EVIL" (John 7:7). Does the world hate you?  Do you testify against it or to you wish to be everyone's friend?    **Ruben, Jesus also said "the prince of this world cometh and has nothing in me"  (Jn 14:30)  So let me ask you.  Does the prince of this world have anything in you?  Have you totally and completely overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil and are you doing the works of Jesus?   It is within us all to be liked and wanted by people, but once you began to testify against the world, you will be hated and really who wants that?    **I don't see Paul and/or the other apostles rebuking and testifying against the world per se Ruben.  In fact both Peter and Paul begged men not to fall down and worship them. They were being treated as gods because of God's power in their lives.   The Book of Acts is not about a few guys passing out tracts or stories of them trying to witness to the waitress at the local coffee shop and winning over family members.    **So you kind of look down on those who don't do it like you do? Like the little servant girl who told Namaan's wife the prophet in Israel could help him be healed from his leprosy?   When these men walked into a city, they made no small stir, there were riots with people beaten, killed and jailed.  They did not go knocking on doors like Mormons inviting people to church,   **Pardon me but did Jesus send the 70 out, telling them to stay at houses with people and share the message of His Kingdom with them?   they went into the market place, Temple, gates and raised the voice (Acts 2:14),   **The day of Pentecost in Acts 2:14 was not a contrived affair, they were being obedient and waiting as they had been instructed to receive power from on high, it was when the Lord showed up that there was a LARGE stir.   "These that have turned the world UPSIDE DOWN are come hither also"  (Acts 17:6)   **Because the Lord worked with them - confirming HIS Word with signs following not because they climbed flag poles or waved Mormon underwear.   I can tell you stories for hours that would bore you after a while, of Chicago police putting us in paddy wagons just to get us out of the city or 50-75 police around us while we are preaching, just to keep the crowd from attacking us.    **There is no glory in that alone Ruben. Are you doing the works of Jesus? Proverbs warns about reproving scorners (Proverbs 13:1)   Talking to chief of police in New York, D.C. Philadelphia, New Orleans, Salt Lake, Los Angeles just to name a few want me to call them when I'm coming into town.  Jailed for preaching the Gospel in America today,   **America is not a Christian Nation and there are laws against making a public disturbance Ruben. How about Romans 13:1-5, does this also apply to Street Preachers?   and when was the last time Mormons were jailed?  They think waving THEIR HOLY GARMENTS is persecution, their prophet is untouchable and not like the real deals that walked the streets preaching a public message as the Bible demonstrates over and over again.    **The Mormons had a 'real deal' as you call it who walked the streets in a white robe preaching and calling himself a prophet.  He is in jail right now for kidnapping Elizabeth Smart. Sure he was crazy but his methods are the same.   But the Mormon prophet will soon be with Young & Smith, and I might be there with my banner to once again reach these people? Remember the parable of the rich man and Lazarus?  The rich man was begging to go to his fathers house, "For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, LEST THEY ALSO COME INTO THIS PLACE OF TORMENT"  (Lk.16:28)   **Don't forget to add Abraham's reply to the rich man" They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.... If they hear not Moses and the prophets - neither will they be persuaded though one rose from the dead" (Lk 16:29,31) There is a lesson there for all of us; if ppl will not receive God's Word - then what is the point of getting out on the streets rebuking and condemning them? I believe on that Great Day those that heard our preaching will say, "Why did you not get bigger banners or yell louder and longer if you knew we were coming "into this place?"     **Are you sure this burden is from the Lord Ruben? Jesus ministry was to announce the gospel of the Kingdom which is GOOD NEWS; the definition of the gospel is to declare and bring GOOD TIDINGS, it is a GOOD MESSAGE.   Rebuke is not all that we do, we can shift gears and preach a message to a large group, then pray for someone, then open up the Bible to enlighten someone, then go nose to nose all in 2.5 seconds.  So please when you read a post, that might be hard or hear something about our preaching, will you give us more benefit than doubt?   **I'm glad to hear you are versatile - ATST this attitude in Street Preachers toward loving people is of concern to me because if you are not building on the foundation of Christ then it is all wood, hay, and stubble.   "Knowing therefore THE TERROR of the Lord, WE PERSUADE MEN"  (2Co.5:11)   **This is what I have been saying - persuading men is one thing, rebuking and condemning them is something else again.   Grace and Peace, Judy   Ruben Israel     ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.