DavidM, as I have pointed out in the Humpty Dumpty analogy, and as Kevin also pointed out in a previous post, the words Mormons use have been redefined, and when they use them it sounds as though they are agreeing with Christians, but they are using their own meanings for the words.
For example, any Mormon will acknowledge the Godhead as being made up of three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but to them they are three entirely separate and different entities. They do not recognize the Trinitarian concept of the three persons being one God. They are separate to the Mormon.
Likewise, I had a Mormon tell me one time that he agreed that Jesus was born of a virgin. When I pressed him he said that "virgin" did not mean she had never known a man...it simply meant "young girl". They believe that God himself came to earth and had sex with Mary, a "virgin" (young girl) to produce Jesus. This is totally contrary to what the Bible teaches!
DavidM, I am sure you are aware we can talk for hours with Mormons, and seem to agree on a lot of points, but they are speaking a different language than Christians speak...like DavidH's attempt to redefine "damned". He had no answer for what I said, so decided to redefine the meaning of the word "damned" in order to make it appear as though being damned is not a bad thing, it just "slows you down a little". It's hogwash.
Perry
>From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Will we be gods?
>Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 02:30:36 -0500
>
>Blaine wrote:
> > I THINK we agree here, but MAYBE NOT No authoritative Mormon
> > ever taught THAT we intend to be equal with God, or the
> > trinity, or whatever you choose to call it. We believe that
> > Jesus Christ as the SON is subordinate to the FATHER, and
> > that we are and always will be subordinate to Both. Things
> > earthly are like things heavenly--sons are subordinate to
> > their fathers on earth, and we are the sons of God, so to
> > speak, as we look to Him and his perfect model Son as our
> > ideal models. We believe we will be Gods in the sense that
> > we will have access to all power that is God's, to continue
> > in eternity--as the parable of the prodigal son suggests,
> > the faithful son was given access to all that his father
> > possessed. ACCESS is the key word, here--no LDS authority
> > ever taught that we would USURP God, as Satan wanted to do.
> > Again, you are setting up little straw men to knock over.
> > This is the lie MANY antiMormons perpetrate. Talk about
> > lies!!
>
>Blaine, this is very interesting what you write here. I would be
>interested to see what quotes Kevin comes up with. I think some of the
>Mormon writings, especially around Brigham Young's era, might not
>express it quite like you do, but maybe I'm wrong.
>
>What you have shared here is pretty much what I believe too. This
>reminds me of how Jeff (another Mormon related to DaveH) was against the
>Trinity because he thought it meant one person in the Godhead. When I
>explained to him what the Trinity doctrine really was, with three
>persons and not one, he said that this was what he believed.
>
>It seems to me that Mormonism has moved closer and closer to traditional
>orthodox views. What you have expressed above seems very compatible
>with the doctrine of the Trinity. What part of the doctrine of the
>Trinity do you think you would have to disagree with? Technically, you
>seem to disagree with the Trinity, but above you don't say anything that
>would really contradict the Trinity. So exactly what is the beef FROM
>YOUR VIEWPOINT. I know how many on TruthTalk would answer this, but how
>would YOU answer this?
>
>Peace be with you.
>David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
>
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