Re: [TruthTalk] Will we be gods?

[Blaine R Borrowman]

Blaine:  Hi Judy!! I believe all that JS has written, which you have reproduced faithfully (in red).  I do not agree with your conclusion that it is somehow adept/occult.  An adept,  if I am not mistaken, is simply a novice who is learning the ropes, and that requires going at it step by step, unless you happen to be a genius and can comprehend the whole thing at one whopping bite.  If you eat an elephant, you have to do it a bit at a time.  You can accomplish a lot by going at it step by step., one step at a time.    What is wrong with that?  Occult means "hidden."    There is not much about Mormonism that is hidden, especially nowadays with the Internet!!   But before the Internet, books and other publications were always available as missionaries went out to teach.  Even now, they will teach anyone willing to sit down and listen.  This is not an occult religion.  It is wide open to all.  You should have the experience of attending even one Mormon meeting--I guarantee you will come away educated, and--big surprise--as clean as before.  They will treat like a queen, and send you on your way with well-wishing.    On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:36:19 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlaineRB:  I THINK we agree here, but MAYBE NOT   No authoritative Mormon ever taught THAT we intend to be equal with God, or the trinity, or whatever you choose to call it. <snip> We believe we will be Gods in the sense that we will have access to all power that is God's, to continue in eternity--as the parable of the prodigal son suggests, the faithful son was given access to all that his father possessed.    Judy: Blaine your system is an "adept/occult" one just like the tower of Babel where everyone ascends to heaven step by step. The following are the words of your founder Joseph Smith and are taken from a sermon given at the funeral of Elder Follett just two months before his (Smith's) assassination in Carthage, Illinois.   Joseph Smith says (as recorded in Times & Seasons August 1, 1844): "I am going to inquire after God, for I want you all to know Him and to be familiar with Him ... I will go back before the beginning, before the world was, to show you what kind of a being God is.   "God was once as we are now, an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens ... I say, if you were to see Him today, you would see Him like a man in form - like yourselves and all the person, image and very form of man.  I'm going to tell you how God came to be God.  We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see.  It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for certainty the character of God, to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that he was one a man like us, yea, that God Himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ did.. [....]   "Here then is eternal life - to know the only wise and true God, and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests, the same as all gods before you, namely by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one, from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead and are able to dwell in the everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power"   Is the above what you believe Blaine?  That is, that you learn how to be gods by going from one small degree to another like ALL gods (plural) before you?  The adept system described above is foundational to freemasonry as well as the ancient mystery religions but has nothing to do with the one true God.  The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.   Blaine: Again, you are setting up little straw men to knock over.  This is the lie MANY anti Mormons perpetrate.  Talk about lies!!    I wrote: Hold on Blaine, I didn't set up any straw men; I read this thing about being gods in the writings of Joseph Smith and I don't consider myself anti anything.  I am just pro Jesus of Nazareth .... the living Christ.   Judy: I need to clarify as I was convicted later about the above statement.  I am not anti ppl and this includes Mormon ppl but I am anti anything that puts a stumbling block in the way of truth and this would include Mormon doctrine and the Mormon structure.   **Can you honestly tell me Blaine that I have set up a "straw man?"   Grace and Peace, Judy     On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:14:10 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ***Hi Judy, It is always a delight to read your stuff, but you seem > to be > speaking more from traditional Christianity than from the original > teachings of the Bible.  In Genesis (first book, second page, so you > need > not search too hard)ch1 verse  26 it uses the plural to tell us that > : > And God said, let US make man in OUR image after OUR likeness." > Would you care to comment on what that means?  > > Hi Blaine: > In Genesis 1:26 in the plural is Elohim or the Godhead. I don't use > the > word trinity because it is not scriptural. Godhead is and this > consists > of > the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; they are not three Gods but > three manifestations of the one true God. > > Judy > > > > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:39:24 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > The Mormons on TT are probably aware that Joseph Smith was heavily > > into Freemasonry among other things and this is where the lie > > originates > > because Freemasonry today represents the ancient mystery religions > - > > In > > his book Morals and Dogma of Freemasonry author Albert Pike writes > > > that the Prince of Mercy Degree makes Satan the creator and > > Freemasonry also teaches that we are all gods, so Joseph Smith was > > > just > > teaching what he had been taught since he went through all of > these > > degrees. > > > > The prophet Isaiah teaches that there were no gods before and > there > > will > > be no gods after Jesus.  Mormonism teaches that god was a man who > > ascended into godhood so the Mormon religion is rooted in the lie > > and > > since > > there are Freemasons in leadership positions in many protestant > > churches > > (unless they take a stand against it) and the Government of the US > > > is > > permeated with them - this is something we need to reckon with.  > The > > > > cornerstones of many of the buildings in D.C. (including the > Capitol > > itself) > > were layed by Freemasons.  So we should ask ourselves.... > > > > Whose report will we believe? That of the Lord, or will we follow > > Israel's > > example and fall into apostasy and error? > > Grace and Peace, > > Judy > > ***Hi Judy, It is always a delight to read your stuff, but you seem > to be > speaking more from traditional Christianity than from the original > teachings of the Bible.  In Genesis (first book, second page, so you > need > not search too hard)ch1 verse  26 it uses the plural to tell us that > : > And God said, let US make man in OUR image after OUR likeness." > Would you care to comment on what that means?  > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Ruben wrote:  Then we arrive at Salt Lake city in the same > fashion, > > where we exhort those that have perverted God, teaching that he > was > > once > > like us.or we will be gods..HOW PERVERTED. > > > > Blaine:  I think this is purely a judgement call on Ruben's part.  > > > There are many good scriptures showing  God allows us--wants us-- > > to be like him. Here is one of them--I will try to find more > > tomorrow if > > needed: > > 1 John 3:2  "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth > > not yet appear what we shall be:  But we know that, when he shall > > appear, > > > > we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may > know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you > have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you > have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. >   ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.