Michael D: Dave H, I did not notice a response to David's and my request for your explanation re the pprophecy of J. Smith below and it's non-fulfilment. I am truly eager to hear your reply, as David stated that he is, and I am sure alot of other TTers are as well. Would you oblige?
michael douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
michael douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Michael D: Dave H, You asked me earlier when I said J Smith was proven to be a false prophet in the past on TT, what was the occasion of the false prophecy. Well, it has been posted on TT (Thanx David) for some time now.My question is do you see this prophecy and its non-fulfilment as evidence that Joseph Smith uttered a false prophecy? I would appreciate a direct answer if possible (yes or no). If 'no', what is your reason?
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:This prophecy was given July 12, 1843. At this time, Emma had found
out about the other women and did not agree with the polygamy. She called
it what it was... adultery. Clearly Joseph Smith was bearing down
pressure upon her with this prophecy. Well, Joe was killed less than a
year later, on June 27, 1844. Therefore, this prophecy was false.
Emma never went with the LDS group that continued to embrace polygamy. She went with the Reorganized Church which their son led, Joe Smith III.
Joe never received the houses and lands and wives IN THIS WORLD that he
had prophesied for himself.Another example of FALSE PROPHECY in this D&C 132 is Verse 54
"And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law."
Since Emma did not recieve, fought against the "PRICIPLE" and denied that Joseph ever Practiced it, according to vs 64 a woman is to BELIEVE and ADMINISTER unto her husband. verse 65 she is to recieve it. Emma lived to a ripe old age. Joe died a young man!
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Kevin wrote:
> If the official Church Doctrine is ANTI Polygamy.
> Then why do they still have D&C 132 ?
They believe in progressive revelation that actually changes what was
practiced before. So they would say that just as the law was changed to
a covenant as grace, so this has changed. Just as sabbath observance
was changed, so has this changed. They might also point out that
polygamy was practiced before Christ, then abolished for awhile, then
came back again when circumstances warranted it, then abolished again.
The D&C 132 passage is the one that has the false prophecy of Joseph
Smith that was brought up before. I don't think anyone quoted it, so I
will take time to do it again. I had brought this up some time back when
this subject came up.
D&C 132:55
"But if she [Emma, Joe's wife] will not abide this commandment, then
shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and
I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an hundredfold IN
THIS WORLD, of fathers, and mothers, brothers and sisters, HOUSES AND
LANDS, WIVES and children, and crowns of eternal lives in the eternal
worlds."
This prophecy was given July 12, 1843. At this time, Emma had found out
about the other women and did not agree with the polygamy. She called
it what it was... adultery. Clearly Joseph Smith was bearing down
pressure upon her with this prophecy. Well, Joe was killed less than a
year later, on June 27, 1844. Therefore, this prophecy was false. Emma
never went with the LDS group that continued to embrace polygamy. She
went with the Reorganized Church which their son led, Joe Smith III.
Joe never received the houses and lands and wives IN THIS WORLD that he
had prophesied for himself.
Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
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