Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
David Miller wrote:
Michael D wrote:DAVEH: It seems to me we discussed this previously, DavidM. I'm not very knowledgeable about this stuff, nor am I particularly motivated by some TTers' demands to answer every single question put to me......so I've put answering it low on my priority list.
> Dave H, You asked me earlier when I said J Smith was
> proven to be a false prophet in the past on TT, what
> was the occasion of the false prophecy. Well, it has
> been posted on TT (Thanx David) for some time now.
> My question is do you see this prophecy and its
> non-fulfilment as evidence that Joseph Smith uttered
> a false prophecy? I would appreciate a direct answer
> if possible (yes or no). If 'no', what is your reason?Ditto to Michael's question. I would like to see answers from both
Blaine and DaveH about the D&C 132:53-55 ff passage concerning Joe's
wife being destroyed and J.S. being blessed with wives in this life.I took a look at vs 55, and to me it is obvious that the promises made by the Lord to JS were related to the spirit world. As I think I've explain before, JS was sealed to many people (wives), and in the process the eternal family expands in an LDS sense. That may not make sense to most Protestant biased folks, but in the LDS realm there is a connection of family relationships that can be sealed in this life that will transcend death and remain in the next life. I see this passage as being related to that.
While writing this, I did a search through the old posts and found my original response (July 1, 2002) to your question......
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I would like some feedback about what I have posted from Doctrine and
Covenants 132. I did not dig this up from some book or Anti-Mormon
literature. The view here is completely original with me and came about
by my reading of these writings. This is the second time I have brought
this passage up, and both times my comments seem to be ignored.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++.......Sorry for my tardiness, DavidM. Last night I got to this point
before I packed it in. Now I'll try to address your thoughts regarding DC 132.> In your Scriptures, I have read the following:
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> "... I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many
> things; for he hath been faithful over a few things, and from henceforth
> I will strengthen him. And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to
> abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she
> will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord;
> for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my
> law. But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant
> Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him
> and multiply him and give unto him an hundredfold in this world, of
> fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and
> children..." (Doctrine & Covenants 132:53-55).
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> Now this prophecy was recorded 11 months before his death. In light of
> the fact that Joseph Smith died so soon after speaking this, I consider
> it very clearly as a false prophecy. In the prophecy Joseph Smith
> speaks about himself, that he will be made ruler over many things, and
> that he would be strengthened by God. This was the time when he
> announced his candidacy for running for President of the United States.
> There is no doubt in my mind that if Joseph Smith had run for President
> and won, that this would have been brought forth as a true prophecy
> predicting this event. The fact that he was killed instead, therefore,
> causes me to conclude it as a false prophecy.DAVEH: I don't view this in the same way as you, DavidM. As I've
mentioned before, the rewards we receive from the Lord are usually viewed in an
eternal perspective. I think many Christians believe the same (or at least
similar) in that many Saints will suffer in mortality, but find their heavenly
rewards in the life to come. LDS theology certainly takes those rewards to a
much higher level of understanding, however. I think most LDS folks believe
JS's prophesied rewards were to come in heaven.
==============Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
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