Based on the fact that several GA's or Prophets (I am not sure of who GA's are. Are they also "the prophets"?) have preached "sermons" that totally contradict not only the Bible, but similar verses in the BoM, as we have most clearly seen with the current "virgin" thread, either they are ignorant of their own works, are false prophets, or are liars (and possibly all three).
What is going on? If my preacher got up before the congregation and claimed something that tolly contradicted scripture, I would be upset and would certainly confront him about the issue until it was resolved, one way or the other.
How can you honestly sit back and read the words of your "prophets", see that they contradict your own standard works, and the Bible, then slough it off by saying it wasn't revelation, so it does not count. If that is so, then I guess you can ONLY believe what they say when they it is prefaced by "thus saith the Lord". Any other time you have to assume they are blathering idiots, and just may be spewing out untruth and heresy, right?
Plus, didn't at least one GA point out that if a LDS prophet says it, it is as if god himself said it? You can't have it both ways, DavidH.
Perry
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] False teachers False prophets Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:37:19 -0800
David Miller wrote:
> Kevin wrote: > > I am stating the OFFICIAL General Authority Position. > > This is the ONLY position. According to LDS prophets > > they are the only ones allowed to state LDS doctrine. > > I would like to hear from DaveH and Blaine about this. Has Kevin been > giving official General Authority Position?
DAVEH: Not in my opinion.
> It seems to me that Glenn > would quote from the Journal of Discourses like Kevin does, and the > response was that this was not considered Mormon doctrine.
DAVEH: Correct. Material found in the JofD may or may not be official LDS doctrine. The JofD are simply an accumulation of sermons (for the most part....there may be some that were not ever sermons---I'm not sure) preached back in the days (19th
Century) before modern communicational methods. They were published in England so the LDS folks there would have some idea of what the LDS folks on this side of the pond were hearing.
I have found a lot of detractors claim that anything spoken by a latter-day prophet is absolutely correct and can be taken as doctrine. I personally disagree with such a supposition, and don't know any LDS folks who think differently....though there
may be some.
There is a popular joke floating around (the LDS world) that says Catholicism teaches the Pope is infallible, but no Catholics believe it. And.......Mormon theology teaches the Prophet is fallible, but no Mormons believe it. I don't know if any
TTers find that funny, but in Mormonism it is quite humorous.
FTR........Let me say that LDS theology teaches that anything revealed by God is 'scriptural'. But that is distinctly different than saying it is canonical. We have 4 books that we consider canon of scripture.....the "Standard Works". What if
found inside those works is considered doctrinal in the Church. That does not mean that some LDS folks don't interpret some of what's found there differently though. As in reading the Bible, there can be several different ways passages can be
understood.
When the GAs (General Authorities) say something, it can be considered to be conjecture on their part, guessing, speculation.......or......more than likely it is considered to be material they/we believe is revealed to them from the Lord. Most often,
that is what they preach in their sermons. One seldom hears GAs speculating when they preach. But they may do so in other situations or even in their writings. What most LDS folks consider to be the most important words from one of our Church leaders
is when/if they say "thus saith the Lord". However, even using such language does not make it canonical. For it to be canonized, their words would have to be included in the Standard Works.
I hope that clarifies it to your satisfaction, DavidM. And......I hope what I've said is reasonably accurate. Blaine.....feel free to correct me or add upon what I've said if you feel compelled.
> Can I get > some clarification on this please? > > Peace be with you. > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
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