Perry what would you do if you had so many problems with your beliefs not squaring with all these problems?
LDS like to play both sides. They like it even more when no one brings up the problems.
Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DavidH, that is an excuse for the GA's or Prophets of the LDS that I have
heard before. It is just a way to dismiss the idiotic and uneducated
statements of men with no god-given authority, but only what the LDS church
allows them to have.
Based on the fact that several GA's or Prophets (I am not sure of who GA's
are. Are they also "the prophets"?) have preached "sermons" that totally
contradict not only the Bible, but similar verses in the BoM, as we have
most clearly seen with the current "virgin" thread, either they are ignorant
of their own works, are false prophets, or are liars (and possibly all
three).
What is going on? If my preacher got up before the congregation and claimed
something that tolly contradicted scripture, I would be upset and would
certainly confront him about the issue until it was resolved, one way or the
other.
How can you honestly sit back and read the words of your "prophets", see
that they contradict your own standard works, and the Bible, then slough it
off by saying it wasn't revelation, so it does not count. If that is so,
then I guess you can ONLY believe what they say when they it is prefaced by
"thus saith the Lord". Any other time you have to assume they are blathering
idiots, and just may be spewing out untruth and heresy, right?
Plus, didn't at least one GA point out that if a LDS prophet says it, it is
as if god himself said it? You can't have it both ways, DavidH.
Perry
>From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] False teachers False prophets
>Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:37:19 -0800
>
>
>
>David Miller wrote:
>
> > Kevin wrote:
> > > I am stating the OFFICIAL General Authority Position.
> > > This is the ONLY position. According to LDS prophets
> > > they are the only ones allowed to state LDS doctrine.
> >
> > I would like to hear from DaveH and Blaine about this. Has Kevin been
> > giving official General Authority Position?
>
>DAVEH: Not in my opinion.
>
> > It seems to me that Glenn
> > would quote from the Journal of Discourses like Kevin does, and the
> > response was that this was not considered Mormon doctrine.
>
>DAVEH: Correct. Material found in the JofD may or may not be official LDS
>doctrine. The JofD are simply an accumulation of sermons (for the most
>part....there may be some that were not ever sermons---I'm not sure)
>preached back in the days (19th
>Century) before modern communicational methods. They were published in
>England so the LDS folks there would have some idea of what the LDS folks
>on this side of the pond were hearing.
>
> I have found a lot of detractors claim that anything spoken by a
>latter-day prophet is absolutely correct and can be taken as doctrine. I
>personally disagree with such a supposition, and don't know any LDS folks
>who think differently....though there
>may be some.
>
> There is a popular joke floating around (the LDS world) that says
>Catholicism teaches the Pope is infallible, but no Catholics believe it.
>And.......Mormon theology teaches the Prophet is fallible, but no Mormons
>believe it. I don't know if any
>TTers find that funny, but in Mormonism it is quite humorous.
>
> FTR........Let me say that LDS theology teaches that anything revealed
>by God is 'scriptural'. But that is distinctly different than saying it is
>canonical. We have 4 books that we consider canon of scripture.....the
>"Standard Works". What if
>found inside those works is considered doctrinal in the Church. That does
>not mean that some LDS folks don't interpret some of what's found there
>differently though. As in reading the Bible, there can be several
>different ways passages can be
>understood.
>
> When the GAs (General Authorities) say something, it can be considered
>to be conjecture on their part, guessing, speculation.......or......more
>than likely it is considered to be material they/we believe is revealed to
>them from the Lord. Most often,
>that is what they preach in their sermons. One seldom hears GAs
>speculating when they preach. But they may do so in other situations or
>even in their writings. What most LDS folks consider to be the most
>important words from one of our Church leaders
>is when/if they say "thus saith the Lord". However, even using such
>language does not make it canonical. For it to be canonized, their words
>would have to be included in the Standard Works.
>
> I hope that clarifies it to your satisfaction, DavidM. And......I
>hope what I've said is reasonably accurate. Blaine.....feel free to
>correct me or add upon what I've said if you feel compelled.
>
> > Can I get
> > some clarification on this please?
> >
> > Peace be with you.
> > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
>
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