> > > DAVEH: Do you really consider me to be a (false) prophet, Dean? Or do > you keep me more at the (false) teacher level? As you know, I have never > claimed to be a prophet, nor do I want anybody to think I am such. I don't > even consider myself being a > > teacher, and I don't quite understand why TT folks think I am (falsely) > teaching on TT. > > Dean writes: > DaveH I consider there to be no difference between a false teachers and a > false prophet-not did the early scholars. The words you teach
DAVEH: ??? This is where you are losing me, Dean. > are the same > as a false prophet. You are speaking of different heavens /different > hell/different judgement to come and a different Jesus-Many of these are > future event-future predictions. Therefore you qualify as one. DAVEH: When asked my opinion as to what I believe, I have endeavored to answer......and from that you are considering me a teacher/prophet. Is that correct, Dean? > The one you > promote (Joe. Smith) DAVEH: I dispute that. I do not recall promoting JS on TT. If you truly believe that, please quote where I have done so. Otherwise your claim is a rather shallow attempt to portray me as something I'm not. > also gave future predictions that failed to come > true-that puts him in this category of false prophet and due to the fact > that you speak his words there is no difference-you and him are one in > purpose and words-you and him are the same. DAVEH: Hmmmmm......you certainly don't hesitate to draw interesting conclusions, Dean! <VBG> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > As I see it, I have offered my opinion on what I think the Bible says > about certain doctrines. And I have answered questions regarding my (LDS) > beliefs. Mainly I have been quizzing TTers like yourself as to what > they/you believe and why. So how > > does my curiosity make me a teacher in your eyes??? > > Dean writes: > I see far more than just curiosity with your teachings-You are promoting > Mormonism and are trying to add to you church. DAVEH: I would be tempted to suggest you are paranoid, Dean. But you might think I'd be attacking your character! :-) > You believe in Mormonism DAVEH: Agreed. > and > have a hope some/all here will except your beliefs as truth and you want to > be accepted as a christian. DAVEH: I only want to be accepted by the Lord. As for being "accepted as a christian", I am curious how/why some TTers appear to have a double standard for defining 'Christian'. I certainly believe The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a Christian church....whether or not you or anybody else accepts us as such really isn't much concern to me. I am just interested in knowing how some Christians try to narrow their definition of 'Christian' to eliminate those who have contrasting beliefs. > In doing so you are serving you master as we are > serving ours. You are very careful in you speech DAVEH: In this Forum, if one makes a mistake and says something that could be interpreted in a different way, a lot of folks seem to get their noses bent all out of shape. Yes Dean......I choose my words carefully, lest I receive another rebuke from you. > that is why you keep > asking the same questions over and over again-questions are safe and can > lead others into mistakes. DAVEH: Again Dean, you are conjuring up monsters in your mind. I repeatedly ask the same question because some folks fear I am going to bloody their noses. For instance, I believe that is why you were reluctant to answer my questions to you about why/how you were 'called' to street preach. When I assured you I wasn't trying to bloody your nose, you explained your background....and I appreciate it. I don't know how many times I have to tell the folks on TT.....I'm not here to draw blood! If any TTer feels I'm trying to battle to the death......please bring it to my attention. I much prefer to have open communication in a friendly non threatening manner. IMO......Little is learned from boxing matches, except it demonstrates the stupidity of those who engage in it. > Questions don't always reveal truth-they > question truth but the answers are never heard by you. How many times have > you asked me this very same question. DAVEH: What question??? > Ten? Twenty? perhaps more? DAVEH: From my perspective, many of the answers I hear really aren't answers......they seem to be evasive maneuvers. And, I have found that not all Protestants/TTers think alike.......so, I think it is important to ascertain how each TTer I converse with understands doctrines of Christianity. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------- > > > > BTW.....Related to this, do you feel I have been trying to convert > TTers to Mormonism? > > Dean writes: > Yes-with out a doubt ( That was the reason you sent me the Book of > Mormon) DAVEH: LOL.........I don't recall all the details, Dean, but I think the reason I sent it to you is because you asked for it. (And...you have subsequently have asked for another, have you not!) > -the only difference you are going about it a lot slower then we > are-you word/style indicate that are a very patient man with hope of long > term gain. DAVEH: You might have a little gem of truth their, Dean. As I get older, I do tend to be more patient. But don't for a minute think that I sent you the BofM in hopes of converting you in the long term. > The kindness you offer -even to me- has/is effective and > appreciated by Christians DAVEH: I am glad to hear that. If any TTers would learn anything from me, I hope it will be 'courtesy'. > and in time you will/have convert some on this > list to your way of thinking to different degrees. DAVEH: ROTFLOL......You give me far too much credit in this vein, Dean! If I offer a gem of truth (such as Jesus has a body of flesh and bones) that brings a measure of discussion that leads to a few changing their beliefs to coincide with mine IF my perspective is the correct one.....is that not good, Dean? And IF I offer an opinion that is wrong.....their are a whole slew of TTers who can explain why it is wrong. > Most may never fully > convert but the corruption will/is still be present never the less. Beware > of those that come in sheep clothing Every time I return I see gain on your > part DAVEH: ??? With whom am I gaining? Do you really think I've persuaded anybody in TT to believe a false doctrine??? Who and what was the doctrine? > -the old saying that it is easier to catch flied with honey then > vinegar has truth in it. I don't offer honey DAVEH: I've noticed. > I offer truth as told in God's > word.So in the sort term you will win this debate DAVEH: How's that, Dean? What battles have I won in TT? (I admit that there may be a few people who now believe Jesus has a body of flesh and bones who may not have believed such before.....but even you agree that it is good for TTers to believe such. So.....isn't that good!) > as my truth will always > be at an disadvantage in this world-for the whole will/must hate > me.Therefore logic will dictate that this world will love you and hear you- > not me. DAVEH: I find those comments to be interesting, Dean. It almost gives me a feel for why (your justification) you street preach as you do. Thank you for sharing it with me. > With this in mind-I know that God will draw out his number for it > is foretold that His number will be complete. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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