DAVEH: I dispute that. I do not recall promoting JS on TT. If you
truly believe that, please quote where I have done so. Otherwise your
claim is a rather shallow attempt to portray me as something I'm not.
truly believe that, please quote where I have done so. Otherwise your
claim is a rather shallow attempt to portray me as something I'm not.
All the Fall upward stuf you just recently posted, was. To say you do not promote JS is quite shocking. You decieve yourself, if you believe this. JS teachings are woven thru & thru your beliefs. You do not need to directly quote or use his name to promote his teachings. Are you playing word games?
Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dean Moore
Fear God and keep His commandments/ trust Jesus
> [Original Message]
> From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: TruthTalk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 1/12/2004 2:29:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk False Teachers
>
>
>
> >
> > > DAVEH: Do you really consider me to be a (false) prophet, Dean? Or
do
> > you keep me more at the (false) teacher level? As you know, I have
never
> > claimed to be a prophet, nor do I want anybody to think I am such. I
don't
> > even consider myself being a
> > > teacher, and I don't quite understand why TT folks think I am
(falsely)
> > teaching on TT.
> >
> > Dean writes:
> > DaveH I consider there to be no difference between a false teachers
and a
> > false prophet-not did the early scholars. The words you teach
>
> DAVEH: ??? This is where you are losing me, Dean.
Dean writes:
The word of both are the same-they both speak untruth-they both speak wrong
about God while claiming to know/serve God.
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> > are the same
> > as a false prophet. You are speaking of different heavens /different
> > hell/different judgement to come and a different Jesus-Many of these are
> > future event-future predictions. Therefore you qualify as one.
>
> DAVEH: When asked my opinion as to what I believe, I have endeavored to
answer......and from that you are considering me a teacher/prophet. Is
that correct, Dean?
Dean writes:
>From your words-Yes I do.You have a choice Daveh-You can speak the truth as
the bible teaches-or you can speak untruth against the bible.Your words
indicate you choose to speak untruth. I have not asked for your opinion-yet
you give it and say I asked for it.If I remember correctly you are the one
asking me:-)
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> > The one you
> > promote (Joe. Smith)
>
> DAVEH: I dispute that. I do not recall promoting JS on TT. If you
truly believe that, please quote where I have done so. Otherwise your
claim is a rather shallow attempt to portray me as something I'm not.
Dean writes:
You have spoken the teachings of Joe.Smith many times on this site for
many years.
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> > also gave future predictions that failed to come
> > true-that puts him in this category of false prophet and due to the fact
> > that you speak his words there is no difference-you and him are one in
> > purpose and words-you and him are the same.
>
> DAVEH: Hmmmmm......you certainly don't hesitate to draw interesting
conclusions, Dean!
Dean writes:
That is why you read then and respond-they are of interest:-)
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> > > As I see it, I have offered my opinion on what I think the Bible
says
> > about certain doctrines. And I have answered questions regarding my
(LDS)
> > beliefs. Mainly I have been quizzing TTers like yourself as to what
> > they/you believe and why. So how
> > > does my curiosity make me a teacher in your eyes???
> >
> > Dean writes:
> > I see far more than just curiosity with your teachings-You are
promoting
> > Mormonism and are trying to add to you church.
>
> DAVEH: I would be tempted to suggest you are paranoid, Dean. But you
might think I'd be attacking your character! :-)
Dean writes:
Don't you know by now-Those that warn of coming doom are almost always seen
as paranoid.Soon they will say" Lets get rid of the bible thumpers and then
all the trouble will go away". Out of the mouth of the prophet:-)
>
> > You believe in Mormonism
>
> DAVEH: Agreed.
>
> > and
> > have a hope some/all here will except your beliefs as truth and you
want to
> > be accepted as a christian.
>
> DAVEH: I only want to be accepted by the Lord. As for being "accepted
as a christian", I am curious how/why some TTers appear to have a double
standard for defining 'Christian'. I certainly believe The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints is a
> Christian church....whether or not you or anybody else accepts us as such
really isn't much concern to me. I am just interested in knowing how some
Christians try to narrow their definition of 'Christian' to eliminate those
who have contrasting beliefs.
Dean writes:
To hold a belief contrary to the Bible is to NOT be a Christian Daveh. If
Jesus tells us not to accept those that teach contrary to Gods word-and we
don't -do you think that Jesus will accept those people?
>
> > In doing so you are serving you master as we are
> > serving ours. You are very careful in you speech
>
> DAVEH: In this Forum, if one makes a mistake and says something that
could be interpreted in a different way, a lot of folks seem to get their
noses bent all out of shape. Yes Dean......I choose my words carefully,
lest I receive another rebuke from
> you.
Dean writes:
Your words indicate that you understand how it works.But one should speak
the truth-and accept the congruences unless that truth harms others. Why
pretend to be what you are not?Is it to be accepted? We Christians say what
we mean and are not accepted-Mormons have to say what they don't mean and
are accepted. Interesting huh?
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> > that is why you keep
> > asking the same questions over and over again-questions are safe and can
> > lead others into mistakes.
>
> DAVEH: Again Dean, you are conjuring up monsters in your mind. I
repeatedly ask the same question because some folks fear I am going to
bloody their noses. For instance, I believe that is why you were reluctant
to answer my questions to you about
> why/how you were 'called' to street preach. When I assured you I wasn't
trying to bloody your nose, you explained your background....and I
appreciate it. I don't know how many times I have to tell the folks on
TT.....I'm not here to draw blood! If any
> TTer feels I'm trying to battle to the death......please bring it to my
attention. I much prefer to have open communication in a friendly non
threatening manner. IMO......Little is learned from boxing matches, except
it demonstrates the stupidity of
> those who engage in it.
Dean writes:
That is the way the bible teaches a false prophet will come-easy
-gentle-kind like a sheep. "Beware" saith the Lord!
>
> > Questions don't always reveal truth-they
> > question truth but the answers are never heard by you. How many times
have
> > you asked me this very same question.
>
> DAVEH: What question???
Dean writes:
How were you called Dean?
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> > Ten? Twenty? perhaps more?
>
> DAVEH: From my perspective, many of the answers I hear really aren't
answers......they seem to be evasive maneuvers. And, I have found that not
all Protestants/TTers think alike.......so, I think it is important to
ascertain how each TTer I converse
> with understands doctrines of Christianity.
Dean writes:
Now Daveh-When have I not answered your questions?Have I ever not spoken
what I believe to be truth-Have I ever held back?
>
> >
> >
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> > > BTW.....Related to this, do you feel I have been trying to convert
> > TTers to Mormonism?
> >
> > Dean writes:
> > Yes-with out a doubt ( That was the reason you sent me the Book of
> > Mormon)
>
> DAVEH: LOL.........I don't recall all the details, Dean, but I think the
reason I sent it to you is because you asked for it. (And...you have
subsequently have asked for another, have you not!)
Dean writes:
To my memory-You offered the first-I ask for the second.In short -you
gave-I found a use for it and asked for more-you would not send more. So
when are you going to send it?
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> > -the only difference you are going about it a lot slower then we
> > are-you word/style indicate that are a very patient man with hope of
long
> > term gain.
>
> DAVEH: You might have a little gem of truth their, Dean. As I get
older, I do tend to be more patient. But don't for a minute think that I
sent you the BofM in hopes of converting you in the long term.
Dean writes:
The why did you send it?
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> > The kindness you offer -even to me- has/is effective and
> > appreciated by Christians
>
> DAVEH: I am glad to hear that. If any TTers would learn anything from
me, I hope it will be 'courtesy'.
Dean writes:
They can also learn patience from you also-but your words have no truth
to offer to Christians-only deception.
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> > and in time you will/have convert some on this
> > list to your way of thinking to different degrees.
>
> DAVEH: ROTFLOL......You give me far too much credit in this vein, Dean!
If I offer a gem of truth (such as Jesus has a body of flesh and bones)
that brings a measure of discussion that leads to a few changing their
beliefs to coincide with mine IF my
> perspective is the correct one.....is that not good, Dean? And IF I
offer an opinion that is wrong.....their are a whole slew of TTers who can
explain why it is wrong.
Dean writes:
The problem we have here is which flesh and blood?Your words indicate you
to offer A flesh and blood Jesus not THE flesh and blood Jesus. Big
difference here.
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> > Most may never fully
> > convert but the corruption will/is still be present never the less.
Beware
> > of those that come in sheep clothing Every time I return I see gain on
your
> > part
>
> DAVEH: ??? With whom am I gaining? Do you really think I've persuaded
anybody in TT to believe a false doctrine??? Who and what was the doctrine?
Dean writes:
Due to DavidM not being here to defend himself-I defer this question.
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> > -the old saying that it is easier to catch flied with honey then
> > vinegar has truth in it. I don't offer honey
>
> DAVEH: I've noticed.
>
> > I offer truth as told in God's
> > word.So in the sort term you will win this debate
>
> DAVEH: How's that, Dean? What battles have I won in TT? (I admit that
there may be a few people who now believe Jesus has a body of flesh and
bones who may not have believed such before.....but even you agree that it
is good for TTers to believe such.
> So.....isn't that good!)
Dean writes:
Well you are still here and I don't seem to fit in-So I would point to you
as being the short term winner unless God is a liar you will lose in the
long run-and God never lies. Again which flesh and blood?Certainly not the
bible Jesus!
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> > as my truth will always
> > be at an disadvantage in this world-for the whole will/must hate
> > me.Therefore logic will dictate that this world will love you and hear
you-
> > not me.
>
> DAVEH: I find those comments to be interesting, Dean. It almost gives
me a feel for why (your justification) you street preach as you do. Thank
you for sharing it with me.
Dean writes:
Hatred is a sign but our joy is fruit for God-We are also hated by the
unrepenting Homo's.
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