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> David Miller wrote:
> >> 1.  Do you believe that any good exists apart from God?  
> >> In other words, can a man or woman say or do anything 
> >> that can be called good without God working in them 
> >> and through them?
>
> Dean wrote:
> > No I do not and would have to examine the motives of 
> > the person who did the visible good.
>
> Ok, so we agree that good does not exist apart from God.  I'm not sure
> what you mean about examining the motives.  Can you explain?  

Dean writes:
 I believe that apart from God good works are of a selfish motive.It's like
what can they receive in turn for the good work.Even love.
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> David Miller wrote:
> >> 2.  Do you believe the following passage of Scripture?  
> >> "Wherefore I give you to understand, ... that no man 
> >> can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." 
> >> (1 Corinthians 12:3 KJV)
>
> Dean wrote:
> > First answer this-Can Satan say that Jesus is Lord?
>
> No, I do not believe that Satan is able to say this.  That would be like
> asking Hitler to say that a Jew is King of the world.  

Dean writes:
 Matt.8:29,31 
Jesus is recognized as the son of God and in verse 31 His power is
recognized-by demons.So Satan can sayJesus is Lord but would he really mean
it? Would the Jesus that Satan would portray lead anyone unto salvation-No
-this Jesus he would portray -would only corrupt-not save.
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> David Miller wrote:
> >> 3.  Setting aside the concept of saving grace for the moment, 
> >> do you believe that God has ever at any time manifested his 
> >> grace through the Holy Spirit to any Mormon on the face of 
> >> the earth?
>
> Dean wrote:
> > *If you mean-Can a Mormon be saved or has God shown himself 
> > to a Mormon? Yes 
>
> I meant the kind of grace that is extended to men whereby they
> experience the light of God but have not yet been brought to salvation.

Dean writes:
 All men are giving knowledge of God and knowledge of sin. God said he
would write his laws in every mans heart.Some simply will not repent and go
deeper into the darkness-Yet will come to you in sheepish clothing.
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> In your perspective, is it possible for a Mormon to experience God and
> the illuminating work of the Holy Spirit that happens in the unbeliever
> prior to salvation? Do you see them as in utter darkness with no light
> whatsoever just because they are "Mormon," or do you recognize a grace
> that operates whereby the light of Christ comes to them, but not yet
> bringing salvation. 
  
Dean writes:
I believe that if that light is upon them they still have a choice to
make-How can one know Jesus and teach/stang against his truths.Can a
practicing Homo know God?Can he be saved and still do the perversion?To
teach Mormonism is to teach the unclean-to touch the filthy thing. How can
one be clean while still touching the filthy thing.If God is giving one
knowledge to the saving grace will not that one be moving away from the
filthy thing I see not evidence of this-I see those here moving closer to
that which is not clean. I see a bias here David-yes- clear as a bell.


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