Dean Moore
Fear God and keep His commandments/ trust Jesus
>
> David Miller wrote:
> >> My position is that those who are apart from God sometimes
> >> do experience God, before they have actually become born
> >> again and experienced the life changing experience of
> >> regeneration. Are we in agreement with this concept or
> >> not?
>
> Dean wrote:
> > The term "apart from God" means just that -Apart From God.
> > These are parted from God. How can they be experience anything
> > of God while in that state. No I am not in agreement of this
> > statement.
>
> Now we are getting down to the crux of our differences. Let me argue
> your case a little from Scripture so you can see the ways in which I
> agree with you. Then I will present some other Scriptures that show how
> my views differ from yours.
>
> Jesus taught:
>
> Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or
> figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but
> a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth
> evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every
> tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the
> fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7:16-20
> KJV)
>
> This passage basically teaches the core of what you are trying to say.
> However, what must be kept in mind is that this passage is speaking
> about a person's identity as either a true or false prophet. Fruit is
> something that a tree bears through much time and investment of energy.
Dean write:
Where are we taught that one must look for this type of energy to identify
a false prophet?We are to know then be their words-where are we to wait
even four years to know them?
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> This passage does not address the idea that God manifests grace at
> different levels to different people, nor does it actually prohibit an
> evil tree from experiencing something good, such as grace from the Holy
> Spirit himself. Earlier in this chapter, Jesus taught,
Dean writes:
Tell me what is grace? Websters Dictionary shows it to be:..Unconstrained
and undeserved divine favor or good will,God"s loving mercy displayed to
man for salvation of his soul. Your claim is that Daveh has grace-are you
saying his is saved-Earlier you declared him to be a Christian-How is he
saved?If he is not then ha has no grace-does he claim to be saved?Can one
who thinks we should e4at of that fruit be saved?
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> If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children,
> how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to
> them that ask him? (Matthew 7:11 KJV)
>
> Therefore, according to Jesus, doing good is something that even evil
> men can do, and I pose to you that if they do anything good, the source
> of that ultimately is God, whether they acknowledge it as God or not.
> James wrote:
>
> Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift
> is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is
> no variableness, neither shadow of turning. (James 1:16-17 KJV)
>
> So if every good gift comes from above, then when an evil man does good,
> the source of that also must come from above.
Dean writes: Actually the verse is referring to a parent -who is depraved
-giving to his children- if they will do so how much more will our father
give to us. It is not speaking of a false prophet or one of an evil intent
to harm as what parent would knowingly harm his children?Then again what
false prophet -who is a wolf- would harm sheep? Do you see a difference?
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