Blaine: What contradictions are we talking about, Perry. There are some things that SEEM to contradict, until the full truth is borne out. But in many cases, you seem to prefer to talk about mysteries and things that are hidden, occult knowledge, deep things, that noone in the Church has had any extensive revelation about. An example of this, is, "how many Gods are there? We can speculate, and JS did that, but that's about it. He, like many of us, formulated theories about how to answer some things, and discourse on his ideas, which were apparently well thought out, and may be true, but the last time Gordon B Hinckley was asked about the subject, he just shrugged his shoulders, and said, "I don;t know about that." He, like many of us, regarded these things as just JS's ideas, with no final answer given. We may be instructed "more perfectly in theory," but in the end, the only valid answer for many questions is that we plain don't know. Nevertheless, much of this theory is accepted and discussed as if it were fact. But as Pres. Hinckley said, "I don't know about that." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] No hell of Fire Brimstone-DaveH
> DaveH, > > Why do you consdier "a lot of nonsense" the plethora of contradicting and > indicting statements coming directly from the LDS standard works and other > authoritaive momron lilterature which Kevin has cited? Does that mean you do > not have to deal with them if you ignore them? Well, they are not going > away! > > Kevin seems to be a wizard at pulling out these blatant contradictions, > yet you completely ignore them! The only conclusion I can come to is that > there are contradicting and indicting statements that come directly from the > LDs standard works!!! > > When you take one LDS document and look at one verse, line, or prophecy > at a time, you can argue about it's validity, pull up biblical prooftexts, > quote one or two supporters, but what Kevin has done has shown the who > panopoly of thoughts, ideas, beliefs, of the LDS and their leaders, and IN > THE LARGE IT IS DAMNING of the LDS church! Your ONLY choices are to ignore > it, or else admit that your eternal destiny hangs on a house built of cards! > > You say that when a prophet is not speaking "ex cathedra", it doesn't > count. BUT HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN DIRECT CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN THE BoM AND THE > D&C??? One wife...polygamy. One God...Three Gods!!! YOUR OWN STANDARD WORKS > DO NOT EVEN AGREE!!! > > Don't you ever feel trapped, or cheated, that the LDS have to continually > make excuses and weave tales to cover the contradictions? Why can't you see > them? Have you been blinded to contradiction within your own church? Are you > so programmed that to acknowledge these contradictions would cause your > brain to explode? WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF LOSING BY ADMITTING THESE > CONTRADICTIONS? > > Perry > > >From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] No hell of Fire Brimstone-DaveH > >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:16:30 -0800 > > > >DAVEH: Kevin......If you want to have a relatively serious discussion > >about hell and oneness, I will be willing to share my thoughts with you > >in a respectful exchange of ideas. If on the other hand you wish merely > >to bloody my nose and overload me with a lot of nonsense, then I will > >refrain from responding to your posts as I don't have a lot of time to > >waste. How do you wish me to proceed? > > > >Kevin Deegan wrote: > > > > > DAVEH: I respectfully disagree. If we use your (Protestant derived) > > > definitions of heaven and hell, it will be easy to explain. I do not > > > believe non-Mormons will be cast into a literal lake of fire and > > > brimstone. Well that settles it then.There can't be a literal Hell, > > > Dave doesn't believe it.Those that are headed to Hell always want to > > > remodel first! According to the BoM 2 Nephi 28:21 the Devil taught him > > > there is no Hell.The BoM says it is a Place of ENDLESS TORMENT Jacob > > > 6:10Where people ares cast Alma 5:56Forever without end 2 Nephi > > > 9:16 Luke 16:28 Hell is a PLACE of tormentMT 8:12 a PLACE of WeepingPs > > > 18:5 a PLACE of SorrowsRev 14:11 a PLACE of NO RestRev 22:10 a PLACE > > > of FilthynessMT 13:48 a FURNACE of FireIS 33:14 EVERLASTING > > > BURNINGSWhere Joe & faithful Mormons are to look foward to being > > > EXALTED to EVERLASTING BURNINGS Teachings Prophet Joe Smith P347 In > > > Revelation 19 The beats & False Prophet are "cast alive into a lake of > > > fire Burning with Brimstone"Sometime later Rev 20:10 the Devil is cast > > > into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE the beast and the False > > > Prophet ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. > > > >-- > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Dave Hansen > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.langlitz.com > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >If you wish to receive > >things I find interesting, > >I maintain Five email lists... > >JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, > >STUFF and MOTORCYCLE. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
