Some things contradicting would be Ok
BUT here we have:
ONE Profet contradicting another
the BoM contradicticting the D&C
DC contradicts the BoM
Geography, Archeology, Genetics contradicting the BoM
Joe contradicting Brigham Young
Brigham Young contradicting Joe
"OCCULT" things are NOT of God
Secret societies are never a blessing to mankind.
Is there a SECRET DANITE Band in the Bible?
What a Blessing the Danites were!
Did God ever put a secret society together?
The bible says the "mystery" of Godliness NOT the SECRET!
There are some things we do know.
There are NO EVIDENCES for the BoM in the world around us
There are NO EVIDENCES for the Restoration in History, even the supposed date is unknown for the MP. No contemporary acoounts only evoling accounts years after. No newspaper accounts. No witnesses to discussions. If there was persecution after discussing, then surely there would be data in the small town paper. There is data but again many years after. This evidence shows that the idea for the restoration was developed years after it was supposed to have happened.
There is NO EVIDENCE that anything happened in the hearts of the 3 Witnesses (eyewitnesses?) 8 Witnesses or the First Apostles ordained (again MANY Years after the restoration)
Christ's Apostles turned the world upside down and were Martyred for their faith.
The MAJORITY of LDS Witnesses & Apostles went APOSTATE
If they had experienced anything or seen anything they would have been changed men.
Instead they WITNESS AGAINST Mormonism!
The testimony of these witnesses when investigated is just one of many inditements against the church! By word and deed they showed NO Faith or Conviction in their Testimony!
Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine: What contradictions are we talking about, Perry. There are some
things that SEEM to contradict, until the full truth is borne out. But in
many cases, you seem to prefer to talk about mysteries and things that are
hidden, occult knowledge, deep things, that noone in the Church has had any
extensive revelation about. An example of this, is, "how many Gods are
there? We can speculate, and JS did that, but that's about it. He, like
many of us, formulated theories about how to answer some things, and
discourse on his ideas, which were apparently well thought out, and may be
true, but the last time Gordon B Hinckley was asked about the subject, he
just shrugged his shoulders, and said, "I don;t know about that." He, like
many of us, regarded these things as just JS's ideas, with no final answer
given. We may be instructed "more perfectly in theory," but in the end, the
only valid answer for many questions is that we plain don't know.
Nevertheless, much of this theory is accepted and discussed as if it were
fact. But as Pres. Hinckley said, "I don't know about that."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] No hell of Fire Brimstone-DaveH
> DaveH,
>
> Why do you consdier "a lot of nonsense" the plethora of contradicting
and
> indicting statements coming directly from the LDS standard works and other
> authoritaive momron lilterature which Kevin has cited? Does that mean you
do
> not have to deal with them if you ignore them? Well, they are not going
> away!
>
> Kevin seems to be a wizard at pulling out these blatant contradictions,
> yet you completely ignore them! The only conclusion I can come to is that
> there are contradicting and indicting statements that come directly from
the
> LDs standard works!!!
>
> When you take one LDS document and look at one verse, line, or prophecy
> at a time, you can argue about it's validity, pull up biblical prooftexts,
> quote one or two supporters, but what Kevin has done has shown the who
> panopoly of thoughts, ideas, beliefs, of the LDS and their leaders, and IN
> THE LARGE IT IS DAMNING of the LDS church! Your ONLY choices are to ignore
> it, or else admit that your eternal destiny hangs on a house built of
cards!
>
> You say that when a prophet is not speaking "ex cathedra", it doesn't
> count. BUT HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN DIRECT CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN THE BoM AND
THE
> D&C??? One wife...polygamy. One God...Three Gods!!! YOUR OWN STANDARD
WORKS
> DO NOT EVEN AGREE!!!
>
> Don't you ever feel trapped, or cheated, that the LDS have to
continually
> make excuses and weave tales to cover the contradictions? Why can't you
see
> them? Have you been blinded to contradiction within your own church? Are
you
> so programmed that to acknowledge these contradictions would cause your
> brain to explode? WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF LOSING BY ADMITTING THESE
> CONTRADICTIONS?
>
> Perry
>
> >From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] No hell of Fire Brimstone-DaveH
> >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:16:30 -0800
> >
> >DAVEH: Kevin......If you want to have a relatively serious discussion
> >about hell and oneness, I will be willing to share my thoughts with you
> >in a respectful exchange of ideas. If on the other hand you wish merely
> >to bloody my nose and overload me with a lot of nonsense, then I will
> >refrain from responding to your posts as I don't have a lot of time to
> >waste. How do you wish me to proceed?
> >
> >Kevin Deegan wrote:
> >
> > > DAVEH: I respectfully disagree. If we use your (Protestant derived)
> > > definitions of heaven and hell, it will be easy to explain. I do not
> > > believe non-Mormons will be cast into a literal lake of fire and
> > > brimstone. Well that settles it then.There can't be a literal Hell,
> > > Dave doesn't believe it.Those that are headed to Hell always want to
> > > remodel first! According to the BoM 2 Nephi 28:21 the Devil taught him
> > > there is no Hell.The BoM says it is a Place of ENDLESS TORMENT Jacob
> > > 6:10Where people ares cast Alma 5:56Forever without end 2 Nephi
> > > 9:16 Luke 16:28 Hell is a PLACE of tormentMT 8:12 a PLACE of WeepingPs
> > > 18:5 a PLACE of SorrowsRev 14:11 a PLACE of NO RestRev 22:10 a PLACE
> > > of FilthynessMT 13:48 a FURNACE of FireIS 33:14 EVERLASTING
> > > BURNINGSWhere Joe & faithful Mormons are to look foward to being
> > > EXALTED to EVERLASTING BURNINGS Teachings Prophet Joe Smith P347 In
> > > Revelation 19 The beats & False Prophet are "cast alive into a lake of
> > > fire Burning with Brimstone"Sometime later Rev 20:10 the Devil is cast
> > > into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE the beast and the False
> > > Prophet ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
> >
> >--
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >Dave Hansen
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >http://www.langlitz.com
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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