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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:03
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Geography of
Never Never land
Why are Greek names such as Lachoneus, Timothy, Jonas, and Alpha &
Omega in a book that should have absolutely no Greek influence?
Blaine: The
answer should be obvious, Kevn--the Book of Mormon was translated into
English, which has a lot of Greek and even Latin in it.
Why haven't any of the Book of Mormon proper names such as Nephi, Laman,
Zarahemla, etc. been found in all of the many writings that have been found in
Mesoamerica?
Blaine: Again the
answer should be obvious if you have read the Book of Mormon as you claim to
have done--The entire Nephite civilization was destroyed by the
Lamanites about 375 AD. The record says, in fact, that the
Lamanites hunted down straggling Nephites, and if they would not deny the
Christ, they were killed. Moroni was one of the last to be caught and
killed, but not before he buried the sacred records in the earth to hide them
from the Lamanites. Otherwise, even the gold plates might have been
destroyed. The BoM does mention cultural traits of the Lamanites which
were still evident when the Spanish Conquistadors arrived. One such
evidence was the Lamanites were still sacrificing their enemy captives to
their gods--huge piles of skulls of captive victims were found
near the sacrificial alters by the Spanish. The Book of Mormon
gives a similar account as the Lamanites closed in on the Nephites during
their final days:
Mormon 4: 14
"And they (Lamanites ). . did take many prisoners both
women and children, and did offer them up as sacrifices unto their idol gods.
"
Mormon 4: 15
"And it came to pass, in the three hundred and sixty and seventh year, the
Nephites being very angry because the Lamanites had sacrificed their women and
children, . . .they did go forth against the Lamanites with exceeding great
anger, insomuch they did beat again the Lamanites and drive them out of their
lands."
Mormon 5:21--"And
when they (Lamanites) came the second time, the Nephites were driven and
slaughtered with an exceeding great slaughter; their women and children
were again sacrificed unto idols.")
3 Nephi uses Words from the KJV, such as "mammon", "synagogues", and
Aramaic word "raca" Matthew. These words would have had no meaning to
the Nephites!
Blaine: Why
not? The language of the golden plates was Reformed Egyptian, but the
Book Mormon makes it clear that the Hebrew language was also spoken.
Aramaic is a close cousin to Hebrew and was spoken by many Jews.
"Faith, as well intentioned as it may be, must be
built on facts, not fiction -- faith in fiction is a damnable false
hope." Thomas Edison
Blaine: Good thought. Maybe
you really should get your facts staright before jumping to any more
rash conclusions. (:>)
"frankly state events as they occurred, in full
consideration of all related circumstances, [and] allow the line of
condemnation or justification to fall where it may... " B.H.
Roberts epilogue The New Mormon History: Revisionist Essays on
the Past
"One of the grand fundamental principles of Mormonism is to
recieve truth. Let it come from where it may." An American Prophets Record:
The Diaries and Journals of Joseph Smith, p. 395
Galatians 4:6 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you
the truth? Charles Perry Locke
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine,
I
guess when god ran out of things to say in the BoM he just copied,
verbatim, in the King's English, whole sections from the KJV Bible.
After
all, if it was good enough for the Bible, it was good enough for
the BoM,
right?
I suppose the inconsistencies that Kevin pointed
out god put in there to
bring confusion to the non-believers? Mormons
see right through those
inconsistencies, don't they?
I suppose
when the BoM contradicts the Bible, god was just testing those
who
accept the bible only by putting errors in the bible?
I suppose when
god said that Jared would be the father of the greatest
nation on earth,
even greater than the seed of Abraham, the Jaredites, he
didn't figure
on them dying out so soon? How many Jaredites do you know?
Where is the
evidence of the Jaredites, this "greatest nation"? By the ! way
does
Jared's brother have a name?
And who is Moron? Isn't that a name from
the BoM? Or, was it one of god's
practical jokes for readers of the BoM?
And that guy named Alma...doesn't
that mean "young
girl"?
Finally, who is Oliver Granger? Isn't he the one whose name
the mormon
god prophecied would not be forgotten? Who is he again? You
didn't forget,
did you?
Yep, sounds like a book I want to hang my
eternal destiny on. While there
may be no injunctions about bringing
forth additional scripture, there are
injunctions against false prophets
and different gospels. The fact that you
were brought up under the BoM,
unfortunately, is no excuse for believing it.
And, there ARE
contradictions between the Bible and the BoM. You just don't
want to
admit it. Its a "Mormon thang", you say.
Perry
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>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Geography of
Never Never land
>Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:34:31
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>Subject: [TruthTalk] Geography of Never Never
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> >
> > From: "Blaine Borrowman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Kevin wrote:
> > The BoM is a
work of FICTION:
> >
> > Blaine writes: There is so much
about the book of Mormon that tells us
> > it is true, we don't
need to know exactly where everything was, but we
> > believe and
have faith it will be revealed in the Lord's own due time
> >
anyway--He has not failed us yet. We know God is testing our
faith--He
> > will pull our very heartstrings to see if we can
stand it, and if we
> > can't, we are! not fit for the Kingdom of
God--
> >
> > Judy:
> > What exactly about the
book of Mormon tells you it is true Blaine?
> > What I can't figure
out is why you would prefer that to the Holy Bible?
>
>**Blaine:
How could you figure it out? You haven't read it! You can't
>draw
water from a dry well. (:>)>
> > Blaine:
> > so,
Kevin, and Judy, when the locations are eventually shown to man,
>
> you will be ashamed for not having had more faith, while we will
be
> > rejoicing, having had our faith tested, and having kept the
faith as
>true
> >
> > and loyal servants.
>
>
> > Judy:
> > What if at His coming you learn that
your faith has been misplaced?
>
>**Blaine: My faith in the BoM
is such that I don't worry about that. I
>have read the BoM several
times--each time, I have had my faith in it
>reinforced.
>
!
> > After all, we will be judged by the words that Jesus spoke, not
the book
> > of Mormon. (see John 12:48)
>
>**Blaine:
The BoM is chock full of Jesus' sayings. We will be judged
>by all of
God's words, including, I believe, the BoM. I get the
>impression you
think God could not do what he did in bringing forth the
>BoM. This
takes faith. You need to begin by allowing yourself to believe
>it
was possible--a small belief, as in a mustard seed. Your faith will
>grow as you are more able to see the BoM in a poitive
llight.
>I have a question Judy-- The BoM claims to be more of the
word of God, yet
>most peole are incurious about such a book. They
have been so inculcated
>with the belief that the Bible is all that
God is willing to do for us,
>that they just automatically turn the
BoM off. Surely you have more faith
>in God than to believe he could
not have brought forth more of his word.
>
> >
Blaine:
> > Our confidence will wax strong in the presence of God,
but you will go
> > away with your heads hanging down, unless you
repent of your arrogance
> > and pride.
> >
> >
Judy:
> > Paul told the Bereans they were more honorable than those
in
>Thessalonica
> > because they checked his teaching
against the scriptures.. Why is it
> > price
> > and
arrogance to do the same today? It was God's wisdom then and
> >
God does not change. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and
forever.
>
>**Blaine: I apologize for using the words "Pride and
arrogance," I
>sometimes get a little arrogant myself, since I am so
positive my faith in
>the BoM is solidly founded on the Rock of
Christ. You are correct, you
>definitely should check the teachings
of the BoM against the scriptures of
>the Bible, both Old and New
Testament! s. (:>)
> >
> > Blaine:
> > BTW,
there are already several newer books written by BYU people regards
>
> the locations in the BoM--very interesting stuff. But considering
you
> > are so anxious to make anything favorable to Mormonism
appear wrong, or
> > evil, I have fears you will not read them, or
if you do read them, you
> > would just fault them. Your quotes
below are all back in the 60's and
> > 70's-- any new stuff? I do
have some things written more recently--all
> > one has to do is
vistit Deseret Book Store. Thye shalves get fuller and
> >
fuller.
> >
> > Judy:
> > Of the writing of many
books there is no end but the writer of
> > Ecclesiastes tells us
it is "weariness to the flesh" - I spend most of
> > my
>
> time focusing on THE BOOK.
> > Grace and Peace,
> >
Judy
>
>**Blaine: Actually, I ha! ve studied the Bible as much
if not more than the
>BoM, so I can't fault you for staying with it,
especially since you were
>brought up with it exclusively. But stop
and put yourself in the shoes of
>someone who was raised studying
other scriptures not found in the Bible, as
>with myself. My
perspective is different from yours only insofar as I have
>the
advantage of a comparison. When I compare the two books, I find that
>the BoM answers questions not made clear in the Bible, yet does not
>contradict the Bible. The claim that bringing forth new scripture is
>violating a biblical injunction against doing so is nonsense. There
are no
>injunctions against new scripture anywhere in the Bible--only
injunctions
>about changing existing ones. But this would be true for
any
>scripture--once written, it should not be changed.
>
>
>
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