[TruthTalk] Original sin

[jandgtaylor1]

From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DavidM wrote: Rather than belabor our discussion, please just look at the following verse.  Doesn't it prove it  once and for all that Jesus had the same blood as  the rest of humanity?  Forasmuch then as the children are  partakers of flesh  and BLOOD, he also himself likewise took part of the  SAME. (Hebrews 2:14 KJV) Judy: The above tells me that Jesus partook of flesh and  blood which I have never disputed.  It is the kind of blood that flowed in his veins that we are discussing   DavidM: I feel that we are wrangling over words to no profit, so my response will be brief.  In this passage, you seem to be doing everything humanly possible to dodge the clear message of the passage.  It does not just say that he partook of flesh and blood.  It speaks of the kind of flesh and blood which he partook of.  It was the SAME as ours.  It is written, "FOREASMUCH THEN AS the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise TOOK PART OF THE SAME."   Green's literal translation reads: "Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, IN LIKE MANNER He Himself ALSO SHARED THE SAME THINGS."   Judy: Yes and the same things he shared are flesh and blood.   DavidM: Jesus shared the same kind of flesh and blood as we do.  He was descended genetically from Adam, Abraham, and David.  This is the testimony of Scripture.  You can deny it all you want, but the Bible is clear on this matter.  There is no need to argue it away.   Judy: Scripture teaches that he was born of a woman, his blood was generated by God. You would have to read your theory into what is written David because scripture does not clearly state what you are trying to make it say and one who understands Gods holiness and the pervasiveness of generational iniquity would never accept this. I know there are many liberal scholars who minimize or even negate the virgin birth but you are the first I have encountered in person.   I wrote: If he (Jesus of Nazareth) had blood from the family of man that is through the first Adam then just like the Levitical priests - he would have had to first sacrifice for his own iniquity and this  still would not have qualified him to enter the heavenly sanctuary and have his blood accepted for our sin once for all.   DavidM: What is this foolishness?  What do you mean by saying, "It still would not have been enough for him to enter the Holy Place once and for all"? If the high priest could enter the holy place offering the blood of animals, could not Jesus also enter it offering his own blood?   Judy: I am speaking of Jesus entering the heavenly sanctuary. The high priest entered the earthly tabernacle once a year for the people after having already made sacrifice for himself and his own sin. Jesus entered the heavenly tabernacle once for all with the eternal blood of the new covenant.   DavidM: Surely you are aware that the Scriptures tell us of the animal sacrifices that were offered for Jesus Christ when he was born (Luke 2:24).  Why was that done from your perspective?   Judy: Mary and Joseph followed God's law for motherhood; Mary had given birth to a male child so she was unclean for seven days and when the days of her purification were completed she brought her child to the temple to present him to God giving two turtledoves one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering and the priestd made atonement for her so that she could be clean.   DavidM: Something else to consider is that if Jesus was not born of a woman, of the same flesh and truly descended physically from Adam, Abraham, and David, then he would not be subject to the law and sacrifices that were commanded.  Think about that.  Was Jesus under the law or not?   Judy: He was born under the law and he fulfilled the law. I have a question about Jesus sonship for you David since you are so certain that he was born with a carnal nature just like the rest of us... "Jesus answered and said while he taught in the temple. How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David?  For David himself said by the Holy Ghost "The Lord said to my Lord, sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool" (Mark 12:35)   David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son?   Grace and Peace, Judy carnal as the rest of us.