[TruthTalk] Original sin

[jandgtaylor1]

From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy wrote: Jesus became flesh and yes he was called the  son of man but he was not ever of the same genealogy as Adam ie: "But He whose descent is not counted  from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed  him that had the promises and without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better." (Hebrews 7:6,7).   DavidM: The phrase, "whose descent is not counted from them" refers to the fact that Melchisedec was not descended from the SONS OF LEVI.  This says nothing about Jesus not coming from Abraham or Adam.    Judy: It says everything about Jesus not coming by way of the Levitical Priesthood, or Abraham, or Adam because Melchisedec IS the pre incarnate Christ; there is just one King of Righteousness and just one King of Peace. The scripture teaches that Jesus is our 'forerunner' and He is made a high priest for ever after the order of Melchizidec. (Hebrews 6:20)   DavidM: Why do you think Luke spends so much time giving us the genealogy of Jesus through Mary's line in Luke 3?   Judy: Probably the same reason as Matthew who spends so much time giving us the genealogy of Jesus through Joseph's line in (Matthew 1:1)   DavidM: Read Heb. 2:16 again.  Jesus took on him the SEED OF ABRAHAM.   Judy: The NAS reads "He does not give help to angels, He gives help to the descendents of Abraham" (Hebrews 2:16) which makes the meaning more exact.   DavidM: For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but HE TOOK ON HIM THE SEED OF ABRAHAM.   Judy: Yes, he came to give help to the descendents of Abraham...   DavidM: Wherefore in all things it behoved him TO BE MADE LIKE unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. (Hebrews 2:16-18 KJV).   Judy: MADE LIKE is the qualifier in the above statement David. In James 3:9 we read "Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, WHICH ARE MADE AFTER THE SIMILITUDE OF GOD" Now noone in their right mind would say that this means men are God would they?   DavidM: Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel. (2 Timothy 2:8 KJV); Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. (Romans 1:3-4 KJV)   Judy: Let me go over this once more - Jesus was born of a descendent of David (the woman) and humanly speaking it is impossible for a woman to bear a seed, that is to have a child without the help of a man.  But the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary's womb and she gave birth to a child who was Very Man and Very God.  This seed had to die and shed His blood for our sin.  He had to do what no ordinary human being COULD do, that is, to give SINLESS UNCONTAMINATED BLOOD for the sin of the world.  I deny that Jesus Christ is of the same genetical  seed as Adam, Abraham, and David.  Scripture teaches us that He is Melchizidec, King of Salem to whom Abraham gave a tithe. Hebrews 7:16 tells us he as our Great High Priest is not made after the law of a carnal commandment but after the power of an endless life."   DavidM: Read the verse just BEFORE this one. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the SIMILITUDE of Melchisedec there ariseth ANOTHER priest. (Hebrews 7:15 KJV). The Scriptures do NOT teach that Melchisedec and Jesus were the same person.  Melchisedec was a type of Christ, much like Joseph was, and much like the passover lamb was.   Judy: He wasn't a type, he WAS Christ, same as the Rock that followed the children of Israel in the wilderness was Christ (1 Corinthians 10:4).  Read the prophecy in Psalm 110:4 and the whole of Hebrews Chapter 7 and meditate on it.   DavidM: Rather than belabor our discussion, please just look at the following verse.  Doesn't it prove it once and for all that Jesus had the same blood as the rest of humanity? Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and BLOOD, he also himself likewise took part of the SAME. (Hebrews 2:14 KJV)   Judy: The above tells me that Jesus partook of flesh and blood which I have never disputed.  It is the kind of blood that flowed in his veins that we are discussing and this is because if he had blood from the family of man that is through the first Adam then just like the Levitical priests - he would need a sacrifice for his own iniquities which still would not have been enough for him to enter the Holy Place once and for all.... and be accepted.   DavidM: And the following verses give the context: For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him TO BE MADE LIKE UNTO his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. (Hebrews 2:16-18 KJV)   Judy: Once more - LIKE UNTO is different from  EXACTLY THE SAME AS.   We are not God and He is not us. He emptied Himself, taking on the form of a servant, permitting Himself to be 'made a little lower than the angels' for the suffering of death... and He is the ONLY one who could have done this because his blood was pure and without spot or blemish.  Just like He is the ONLY one qualified to open the book at the very end.   Grace and Peace, Judy