Blaine: I have done of lot of names extraction for the LDS Church, mostly Presbyterian ancestors, and ALL of them had their children baptized as infants. I have done the same for Baptist ancestors, and ALL of them had their children baptised as infants. DaveM is apparently correct, as per below. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:08 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Blaine wrote: > The Protestant doctrine as I have always understood it > is that men both inherit the potential for sin, and are > born with that sin upon them, therefore having need of > Baptism for the remission of that sin. > > Perry wrote: > This is where you have it wrong...protestants believe > only in #2. > > DavidM: > Perry, there are Protestants who believe in infant baptism. For example, > this position is held by Methodists, Lutherans, Episcopalians and > Presbyterians. The main original reformers, such as Martin Luther and > John Calvin, strongly believed in infant baptism. > > Judy: > Both Martin Luther and John Calvin were fresh out of the RCC > at the time of the Protestant Reformation and some of this ritual > stuck. > > DavidM: > It seems to me that Judy does not believe in #2 version of Original Sin. > She said that Jesus would be guilty if he had any inheritance from Adam. > > Judy: > Big IF there DavidM. I don't believe Jesus was born with a spiritual > inheritance in the first Adam. > > DavidM: > She has expressed agreement with number 2, but her comments do > not seem to follow that. I cannot find any logical consistency in her > comments to really know at this time exactly what she believes about > original sin and guilt. > > Judy: > I fail to see why logic is so important here. I would think consistency > with scriptural truth would be of paramount importance in this > discussion. > > DavidM: > Judy also has introduced a term, "spiritual inheritance" from > Adam. This needs further explanation as I only perceive in physical > inheritance from Adam and nothing spiritual at all. > > Judy: > What can I say? I was under the impression we were dealing with > spiritual realities here. After all deception is a spiritual condition > is > it not. Eve was deceived by the wrong spirit and Adam took no stand > but rather chose to go along with her. God is Spirit, satan is spirit. > We are discussing the spirit of truth vs the spirit of error are we not? > Sure the first Adam was created a living soul but the second Adam is > a life-giving Spirit because the need is a spiritual one. > > "We have received the spirit which is of God that we might know > the things that are freely given to us of God which things also we > speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the > Holy Ghost teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual." > (1 Corinthians 2:12-14) > > Grace and Peace, > Judy > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
