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Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baptist Baptism

Blaine:  Excuse me Kevin,   the first Mormon was not Joseph
Kevin wrote: 
Come on Blaine, get real!
People have written complete books
 
Blaine:  I agree.  People have written many books.  But who are these people, and why did they write the books?  There are books, and there are books.  I read the ones I like, you read the ones that fit your presumptions.  The leaders of the LDS Church have recently encouraged members to use the words "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or, alternatively, The Church of Jesus Christ," when referring to the LDS Church.  Either way, it refers to the founder of the religion, who was Jesus Christ.  Joseph Smith was the prophet, but to say he is the founder of the religion is the same as to say Moses was the founder of the religion kept by the Israelites, the chosen people, the standard bearers of God's will of that day. 
The official magazine for adults of the Church is the Ensign magazine.  It contains current revelation.  You should try reading it.  You would learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ in one reading than you would in reading all the books your attitudes tell me you must be reading. 
 
 
on the subject. Maybe you can burn them quicker than BYU erases tattoos.
 
Blaine:  Where do you get the book burning story?  Is this another one of the false reports that your favorite authors came up with?  Where and when did any book burnings take place?
 
Now you want to revise history? LDS authorities have a history of revising history, maybe you could get a few pointers.
 
Blaine:  As Dave H said,  "What I really find interesting though is even after I explain myself (perspective), many do not want to accept what I've said, but would rather prefer to believe their preconceived notions about what they think I believe.  Then they tell me that I am dishonest in my explanation.  I can't quite figure out why they feel the need to do that."  
 
Blaine:  This reflects my feeling on the subject very well. 
 
Here are some FIRSTS for you:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0252060121/102-8965706-8208953?v=glance Joseph Smith and the Beginnings of Mormonism by Richard Lyman Bushman
 
First Name of the Church!
April 6, 1830 Founding of the "Church of Christ"
 
1830 BoM Title page - Jo Smith AUTHOR & PROPIETER
 
1835 D&C name "Church of Latter Day Saints" SECOND Name
 
 
1833 Book of Commandments Title page showing "organized... april 1830" Also notice Church name "Church of Christ" 1st name
 
http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/s_z/smith.htm founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day aints

http://www.cephasministry.com/joseph_smith_the_magician.html Founder & magician

http://www.pacifier.com/~dlmark/TRKirtlandTemple.htm The FIRST Mormon Temple built in 1836  Forsaken after 2 years, when Joe had to flee under cover of darkness.



Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baptist Baptism
 
 
Kevin wrote: 
 
Who was the First?
First Mormon? - Joe Smith
 
Blaine:  Excuse me Kevin,   the first Mormon was not Joseph Smith, but was Jesus Christ.  He is the one who introduced  Mormonism to the world.  Your disbelief of that fundamental fact  does not mean it did not happen as I have stated, and for you to state that "Joe Smith" was the founder of Mormonism, considering how much you apparently know about the subject, makes you appear to be trying to deceive others into adhering to your disbelief. 
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