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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:47
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Catholic priests/child
abuse victims
> Blaine wrote:
> > For this reason, I still firmly believe Jesus
> > Christ was married, and that this fact--that
> > he was married-- has, along with the sexual
> > molestation of children, been covered up for
> > centuries by the RCC.
>
> The RCC acknowledges that their celibacy doctrine concerning the
> priesthood did not mature until about the fourth century. If there was
> any "cover up," I think they would try to push the origin of the
> doctrine back to the time of Christ.
>
> If Jesus was married, would we not have some record of it? With all the
> details of the gospels, why would his wife be unacknowledged?
>
> Blaine wrote:
> > I cannot believe He--Jesus--would implement a
> > doctrine either by example or word, that would
> > end up being so disastrous!!
>
> Jesus never implemented the doctrine of forced celibacy practiced in the
> Roman Catholic Church. Read what Jesus himself taught on the matter:
>
> "His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife,
> it is not good to marry. But he said unto them, ALL MEN CANNOT RECEIVE
> THIS SAYING, SAVE THEY TO WHOM IT IS GIVEN. For there are some eunuchs,
> which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs,
> which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made
> themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to
> receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:10-12 KJV)
> > For this reason, I still firmly believe Jesus
> > Christ was married, and that this fact--that
> > he was married-- has, along with the sexual
> > molestation of children, been covered up for
> > centuries by the RCC.
>
> The RCC acknowledges that their celibacy doctrine concerning the
> priesthood did not mature until about the fourth century. If there was
> any "cover up," I think they would try to push the origin of the
> doctrine back to the time of Christ.
>
> If Jesus was married, would we not have some record of it? With all the
> details of the gospels, why would his wife be unacknowledged?
>
> Blaine wrote:
> > I cannot believe He--Jesus--would implement a
> > doctrine either by example or word, that would
> > end up being so disastrous!!
>
> Jesus never implemented the doctrine of forced celibacy practiced in the
> Roman Catholic Church. Read what Jesus himself taught on the matter:
>
> "His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife,
> it is not good to marry. But he said unto them, ALL MEN CANNOT RECEIVE
> THIS SAYING, SAVE THEY TO WHOM IT IS GIVEN. For there are some eunuchs,
> which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs,
> which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made
> themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to
> receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:10-12 KJV)
Blaine: I
interpret this interesting passage differently! First, Jesus had just said
it was not God's will that men should divorce, or "put away'" their wives,
although it had been allowed by Moses. He was apparently referring to a
small group of men, who for reasons of their own, were having difficulties
maintaining a viable marriage relationship with a particular woman, and who
wanted to put her away for the apparently petty causes they had
against her, and marry another. They were being counciled to remain
in the marriage covenant, to not put away their wives, despite the difficulties
that involved.
ALL MEN CANNOT
RECEIVE THIS SAYING, SAVE THEY TO WHOM IT IS GIVEN--the saying being
referred to was: "And I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife,
except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultry. And
whoso marrieth her that is put away, committeth
adultry."
I recall one man who
had been divorced several times and had lost his house to the woman each
time. He said something similar to what the disciples were saying
when they asked, "if the case be so with a wife, it is not good to marry."
He said, "Next time I find a woman who just wants a house, I will get one
and give it to her, instead of marrying her."
(:>)
Regards the passage
about eunuchs, I believe Jesus was saying being a eunuch was the only good
excuse, other than fornication, for not being a married man.!!
>
> It makes common sense that certain kinds of ministry is best done by a
> man who does not have a wife and family. Other types of ministry
> require a man to be married.
>
> "For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order
> the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had
> appointed thee: If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having
> faithful children not accused of riot or unruly." (Titus 1:5-6 KJV)
>
> Joseph Smith failed on this qualification of an elder, even though your
> Scriptures repeatedly call him an elder, even "first elder" and
> "presiding elder" (see D&C 20:2, 21:1, 124:125). Why have you neglected
> hearing this passage of Scripture (Titus 1:5-6) so that you might keep
> your Mormonism?
Blaine: Apparently, in Titus' time, it
was a commandment to marry but one woman. This was also true in BoM
times, when Nephi's brother Jacob reprimanded the Nephite men for
taking plural wives (Jacob 2). But probably Titus would have
changed his views if he had lived in a different time and known of the new
revelations JS received to take more than one wife. I believe he would
have received these new commandments since he was a disciple of the same Jesus
who gave the inspired words of his time. If the Primitive Church had kept
the sayings of Jesus wherein he stated that if it was founded on the "rock" of
revelation from Jesus Christ--the rock--the gates of hell would never prevail
against it (Matt 16:18), it would not have become corrupted as it
eventually was. Constant revelation ( from the "rock" of the old
testament--Exodus 17:6-- wherein water--the word of God--gushed forth, and
gave temporal salvation to the children of Israel.) is needed to maintain
the church against the adversary. Times and
circumstances change, so must the word of God change to meet new
circumstances.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
>
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> Peace be with you.
> David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
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