Blaine wrote: For this reason, I still firmly believe Jesus Christ was married, and that this fact--that he was married-- has, along with the sexual molestation of children, been covered up for centuries by the RCC. DavidM: The RCC acknowledges that their celibacy doctrine concerning the priesthood did not mature until about the fourth century. If there was any "cover up," I think they would try to push the origin of the doctrine back to the time of Christ.
Judy: My source says the celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, boniface VII in AD 1079, and we should also remember that there was no priesthood ordained in the Church founded by the apostles. Elders were first called priests by Lucian in the second century and from then this heresy escalated. DavidM: If Jesus was married, would we not have some record of it? With all the details of the gospels, why would his wife be unacknowledged? Judy: What would be the point of him being married? So he wouldn't have to burn with lust? He came into this world for one reason to do the will of the Father and afterwards die. Blaine wrote: I cannot believe He--Jesus--would implement a doctrine either by example or word, that would end up being so disastrous!! DavidM: Jesus never implemented the doctrine of forced celibacy practiced in the Roman Catholic Church. Judy: True - I saw a priest on TV talking about it during one of the times a group was trying to have things changed and this man said the doctrine was started because the Vatican wanted to keep property belonging to the clergy rather than have it stay with their family. Blaine: I interpret this interesting passage differently! First, Jesus had just said it was not God's will that men should divorce, or "put away'" their wives, although it had been allowed by Moses. Judy: He said Moses allowed it because of the hardness of men's hearts. but in the beginning it was not so... Blaine: I recall one man who had been divorced several times and had lost his house to the woman each time. He said something similar to what the disciples were saying when they asked, "if the case be so with a wife, it is not good to marry." He said, "Next time I find a woman who just wants a house, I will get one and give it to her, instead of marrying her." (:>) Judy: You don't say if the divorced man had children with all these women. Blaine: Apparently, in Titus' time, it was a commandment to marry but one woman. This was also true in BoM times, when Nephi's brother Jacob reprimanded the Nephite men for taking plural wives (Jacob 2). But probably Titus would have changed his views if he had lived in a different time and known of the new revelations JS received to take more than one wife. Judy: Be assured Blaine Titus would have discerned what Joseph Smith was about - the professing Church was not quite so messed up then. Blaine: I believe he would have received these new commandments since he was a disciple of the same Jesus who gave the inspired words of his time. Judy: It's not the same Jesus Blaine. Your Mormon Jesus is an 'angel of light' who appeared to Joseph Smith and Oliver Crowdery. Blaine: If the Primitive Church had kept the sayings of Jesus wherein he stated that if it was founded on the "rock" of revelation from Jesus Christ--the rock--the gates of hell would never prevail against it (Matt 16:18), it would not have become corrupted as it eventually was. Judy: You need the Holy Spirit to help you discern Blaine, what you are calling the Church is not the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. The gates of hell will not prevail against the Church that is without spot, wrinkle, or blemish and the Lord Himself is still working on that one. Blaine: Constant revelation ( from the "rock" of the old testament--Exodus 17:6 -- wherein water--the word of God--gushed forth, and gave temporal salvation to the children of Israel.) is needed to maintain the church against the adversary. Judy: The revelation is The Word of God Blaine. Jesus is the same "yesterday, today, and forever" Blaine: Times and circumstances change, so must the word of God change to meet new circumstances. Judy: You've got it backward Blaine.. Jesus doesn't change He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. God doesn't change He says "I am the Lord, I change not. God's Word is eternal also - The Word of the Lord endures forever. Actually we are the ones who must do the changing. There is no circumstance too difficult for God. Judy > > Peace be with you. > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
