DAVEH: And then he specifically adds Jesus Christ to his comment as a separate entity. Why would he do that if he weren't pointing out their differences despite their singleness of purpose?
The scripture says ONE God in the chapter a number of times I must have missed where it said ONE in PURPOSE. What verse was that?
I will take any verse you can dig up.
Holy Bible
Book of Mormon
Doctrine & Covenants
Egyptian Book of the Dead - I mean Book of Abraham
Lets try it now, real slow
Duet 6:4 "The Lord our God is ONE Lord"
ok careful now, go slow.....
The Lord our God is ONE in Purpose Lord
Nope does not work try again DaveH
Typical LDS ISOGESIS!
Please show me how these verses below, are one in purpose, and I will eat that beach ball
There is ONLY ONE God
Is 45:18 I am the LORD; and there is none else
IS 44:8 Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. (therefore he could not have a father or grandfather god)
Duet 6:4 "The Lord our God is ONE Lord
Is 43:10 that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. (God has the positon filled NO VACANCY, you are not a god in embryo you are a sinner)
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well ( you are not doing well DaveH or Blaine)
1 Co 8:4 there is none other God but one
IS 44:6 I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
IS 46:9 I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me
IS 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me
BoM says there is ONLY ONE (Quantity not Quality) God
Alma 11:28-29 Now Zeezrom said: Is there MORE than one God? And he answered, No.
Is 45:18 I am the LORD; and there is none else
IS 44:8 Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. (therefore he could not have a father or grandfather god)
Duet 6:4 "The Lord our God is ONE Lord
Is 43:10 that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. (God has the positon filled NO VACANCY, you are not a god in embryo you are a sinner)
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well ( you are not doing well DaveH or Blaine)
1 Co 8:4 there is none other God but one
IS 44:6 I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
IS 46:9 I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me
IS 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me
BoM says there is ONLY ONE (Quantity not Quality) God
Alma 11:28-29 Now Zeezrom said: Is there MORE than one God? And he answered, No.
DAVEH From my LDS perspective, Kevin, I find it interesting that many Christians don't recognize and acknowledge the individual existence of more than one God.
That is because the Word of God says there is only one God
I find it interesting that ALL christians agree on this and you cultists and Satan believe in multiple gods see genesis (LOWER case g gods- idols - false gods)
DAVEH: Not at all, Kevin. We worship one God....our Heavenly Father.
The only god with whom we have to do, but we believe in millions of others!
That is polytheism dave it is the belief not worship of more than ONE God
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH: And then he specifically adds Jesus Christ to his comment as a separate entity. Why would he do that if he weren't pointing out their differences despite their singleness of purpose?VINCE The problem in Mormonism is that you open up again the Roman and Greek idea of there being many gods, which I believe would be contrary to Scripture and the cherished teaching of Scripture that there is only one God.DAVEH: I don't see it that way at all........Paul pretty well explained it in 1Cor 8:5-6......Maybe you need to read the scripture Again, try the whole cahpter, not just the words in parenthesis."As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him..� 1 Corinthians 8:4-6THIS VERSE IS CLEARLY MONOTHEISTIC
"there is none other God but ONE ... But to us there is but ONE God"
From my LDS perspective, Kevin, I find it interesting that many Christians don't recognize and acknowledge the individual existence of more than one God. From the earliest time (the creation of the world), the plurality of the Godhead is apparent. This continues into the NT times where Jesus plainly defers his glory to his Father in Heaven. Even after his death, the plural nature of God, Jesus and the HS are obvious in their oneness (of purpose). The three are individual entities, yet work as one as a Godhead in their purpose to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. I find it curious why this is not obvious to those who view the context of the whole Bible, Kevin. By holding to this only one God belief instead of a worship one God understanding, it creates a paradox that needed to be addressed by a misleading theory like the T-Doctrine. Instead of clearing up the matter, to me it is clearly a politically motivated explanation intended to obfuscate the truth about the nature of God.
DAVEH: Not at all, Kevin. JS looked at the context of the entire Bible. You want to narrow the discussion to specific passages that were quoted of JS, but you don't seem to want to address the message of the Bible......which is: God set the tone in Gen 1:26 when he referred to US. Throughout the remainder of Scripture, several Gods are thus described that pertain to that US (Godhead), yet the Bible points to just one to whom we should worship.IDOLS are FALSE "gods"
1 Co 8 "we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one."
1Co 10:19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?FALSE gods contrasted against the TRUE God
"For though there be that are called gods,...But to us there is but one God"
There are some that are "CALLED" a god but are not God.
Idols are called "gods" because they are false gods
PS 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.
There is a world of difference between being CALLED a god and actually BEING God!
God commands the worship of ALL "gods"
PS 97:7 Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols: worship him, all ye gods.
Addressing this verse JOe said: �You know and I testify that Paul had no allusion to the heathen gods. I have it from God, and get over it if you can. I have a witness of the Holy Ghost, and a testimony that Paul had no allusion to the heathen gods in the text.� Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith by Joseph Fielding Smith, page 371You must have a burning to get this one.
Obviously Joe ignores the CONTEXT and ends up with a PRETEXT
DAVEH: Not at all, Kevin. We worship one God....our Heavenly Father.Verse 4 tells us the context "Concerning things offered to idols"
His focus is on the words in the parenthesis, while he can not find "called gods" in the same verse! No allusion there.
Joe makes his stand on a parenthetical thought while ignoring all the verses and context around it. This is about as foolhardy as making a doctrine out of a question. Such as else what shall they do that are baptized for the dead??????
He misses the word IDOL in verses 1,4,7,10 NO ALLUSION Here!
Why not focus instead on "there is none other God but ONE" or "But to us there is but ONE God" NO ALLUSION HERE!
Also notice The True God is capital "G", FALSE so "Called" gods are lower case "g"
Joe can not find all these other words and verses for the same reason a robber can never find a police man.Plus as he tells you his revelation from his god takes precedence over God's word in his eyes."doctrine of a plurality of Gods is as prominent in the Bible as any other doctrine. It is all over the face of the Bible. ... Paul says there are Gods many and Lords many. I want to set it forth in a plain and simple manner; but to us there is but one God�that is pertaining to us;" TPJS p 372LDS try to claim they are not POLYTHEISTIC (guilty conscience?)
Primitive and pagan peoples often believe in and worship many supposed gods.They imagine that there are gods of birth, marriage, and death, of war and peace, of the mountains, forests, and plains, and so forth. It is falsely supposed by uninspired religious scholars that Yahweh or Jehovah was the tribal God of the Hebrew peoples, that he gradually came to have pre-eminence over the gods of other nations, and that he was finally accepted as the One Supreme Being. The fact is, however, that monotheism did not grow out of polytheism, rather polytheistic concepts are apostate perversions of the original truth about God which was revealed to Adam and the ancient patriarchs. It should be remembered that polytheism has reference to pagan deities to whom reverence, devotion, and worship are given. It is not to be confused with the gospel truth that there are "gods many, and lords many, But to us there is but one God, the Father, and one Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Cor. 8:4-7.) The saints are not polytheists. Mormon Doctrine, p. 579�all the gods of the peoples are idols, but the LORD made the heavens.� Ps 96:5Gods Word or the word of a False Prophet you decide!Ez 14:3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?
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