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Many believe it's not "nice" (read Christian} to
employ such terminology. However don't most of us in those brief nanoseconds of
frustration at not having our meaning apprehended think (not saying out loud or,
in print) to ourselves "how can he/she/they be so
****(blank)?Lance
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Sent: March 13, 2004 23:28
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear me
out before ousting me.
Bill, Apparently, your point is
that 'many..Spirit-filled Christians' are stupid, but the
smart Christians are enraptured with 'personal knowledge and the
tacit dimension'..Thanks--this helps to better understand the conversation/s
you're having here.
I'm not quite sure what you're asking here, so
I'll go in two directions. Firstly, let me say, and I'm sure you will agree,
that Jesus has and continues to influence people who do not believe he is
Messiah. Nevertheless there's no getting away from him. He is
Lord!
Secondly, let me also say that many of our
so-called "Christian" ideas of protocol in ethics, divine attributes,
justice, and logic, are nothing more than Aristotle
baptized and christianized by Thomas Aquinas. It's not just the RCC who
endorses Aquinas. He influenced the Reformed church in a major way
after Calvin passed on. Have you ever heard of Reformed Scholastics? That
was nothing less than a all out effort on the part of Beza, et
al, to synthesize and systematize Calvin under the rubric of Aquinas.
All of that to say that many unsuspecting, Spirit-filled Christians
have been duped into accepting or rejecting "Christian" ideas, for no
other reason than that they do not realize they are asking their
questions from an Aristotelian framework and not a purely "biblical"
one.
Did I get to your question?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 7:13
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear
me out before ousting me.
no doubt about (e.g.) Plato's
continuing influence on culture/s, Bill; much different, however,
then that of the HS, whose influence is perhaps *unknown* by
comparison--or shall we say *unexperienced*? any Idea/s why?:)
Hi G,
Actually, if I were to say I adhere
to a philosophy, I would look to the breakthroughs of Michael Polanyi
(dash! a Roman Catholic Jew!), and read all philosophy through his
insights on personal knowledge and the tacit dimension.
I do not prefer Plato or Aristotle,
both wrote from a BC Greek context. I am just saying it is
absolutely the epitome of arrogance and hubris to discount these
guys and think you can live in this world absent their input. Only
Jesus Christ stands in human history as being more influential to human
thought than Plato. Don't be so proud as to think Plato or Aristotle do
not sneak their way into your way of thinking about Christ. That's
all I'm saying.
Thanks,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004
8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Please
hear me out before ousting me.
ok; but if not
Aristotle's, what are the philosophical premises of your
theology? Do you prefer Plato?
G ~ P
235
Oops, I just sent an archived
post. Sorry, you can disregard it.
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Sent: Thursday, March 04,
2004 10:01 PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Please
hear me out before ousting me.
>But this is Aristotle!
G ~ P 235
G ~ P 235
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